Online Sales

[peregrinus]

banning all "non face to face" sales, which would include banning mail order.

As the Washington State statute is written it is the shipping that is illegal.

“RCW 70.155. 140 makes it illegal for most tobacco products ordered or purchased by telephone, mail order, or through the Internet, to be shipped directly to consumers in Washington.”

The enforcement emphasis seems to be focused on the seller and not the consumer.

 

[smokeyweb]

I feel bad for the young guys who will enter the hobby in the next few years and won’t have a chance to stock up before doomsday.

 

[Casual]

The thing that worries me is someone will notice our, erm, forethought, and legislatively limit the amount of tobacco you can possess. Asinine how its being treated as a controlled substance.

You shut your mouth.

Also: what’s the best sort of airtight box to bury in the back yard.

 

[brian64]

The thing that worries me is someone will notice our, erm, forethought, and legislatively limit the amount of tobacco you can possess. Asinine how its being treated as a controlled substance.

I don't doubt there are those who would want to make any tobacco possession illegal, but realistically I don't see it happening. I wouldn't be surprised though if any type of private distribution...selling or giving it away...becomes illegal at some point.

 

[Elric]

You shut your mouth.

Also: what’s the best sort of airtight box to bury in the back yard.

Asking for a friend?

 

[Chasing Embers]

You shut your mouth.

Also: what’s the best sort of airtight box to bury in the back yard.

Mason jars survive quite well being buried. Wasn't kidding when I said I was ready for what may come.

 

[olkofri]

The thing that worries me is someone will notice our, erm, forethought, and legislatively limit the amount of tobacco you can possess. Asinine how its being treated as a controlled substance.

I've already pondered this and commented previously about it here. If tobacco becomes illegal, like, say, cocaine is now, possession would be deemed illegal too. Sure, they can start by allowing you a certain limit, but the plan would be to eventually declare ANY amount illegal. If your nosy neighbour espies you through your basement's casement window having a bowl and duly rats you out does his 'civic' duty and reports you, you'll have the cops raiding your home and confiscating everything tobacco-related. And, since possession of an illegal substance makes you a criminal, they'l confiscate your guns too whilst they're at it. Double play!

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

The thing that worries me is someone will notice our, erm, forethought, and legislatively limit the amount of tobacco you can possess. Asinine how its being treated as a controlled substance.

Very unlikely. How do they go about enforcing that? Door to door inspections? I don't think the government is as much worried about old farts smoking as they are about keeping tobacco out of the hands of kids. And that strategy is working reasonably well.

 

[perdurabo]

I love the way legislation like this gets cobbled together like a fifth class Frankenstein's monster. The first paragraph lists all sorts of flavorings that will no longer be allowed, and in the following section on exceptions, reverses it.

Banning of online sales is gonna happen sooner or later. Support your B&Ms and pipe shows.

Has to go through House, Senate and then Through a veto. Unless they send it through the FDA.

 

[perdurabo]

Has to go through both houses and be signed into law. Eventually a law like this will be signed.

Sable is right. Only thing, they will hide this in an Omnibus.

 

[olkofri]

Sable is right. Only thing, they will hide this in an Omnibus.

Which is standard practice now.

 

[Akousticplyr]

Well, I just ordered several pounds of my favorite blends. And it was my wife’s idea!

 

[sablebrush52]

The thing that worries me is someone will notice our, erm, forethought, and legislatively limit the amount of tobacco you can possess. Asinine how its being treated as a controlled substance.

I just don't see that happening. The war against tobacco is being successfully waged through a campaign of death by a thousand cuts. Prohibition has proven to be wildly counterproductive. There's no upside to that type of legislation.

 

[glassjapan]

In the U.S., buying Cuban Cigars has been illegal for over five decades. People purchase them online from Europe and Asia every day. I'm not talking about questionable boxes from your sister's husband's niece who's dating a Cuban person down in FL. Actual LCDH vendors. When customs confiscates one random box out of thousands, the person receives a warning letter. That's it. Some people even get multiple letters every year. Homeland Security has slightly more important issues to deal with than tobacco. Most of the vendors in Europe and Asia will send a replacement box if/when that happens at no extra charge.

if there's a market for pipe tobacco, i'm pretty sure those same vendors will have no problem filling those needs too.

 

[Akousticplyr]

I just don't see that happening. The war against tobacco is being successfully waged through a campaign of death by a thousand cuts. Prohibition has proven to be wildly counterproductive. There's no upside to that type of legislation.

I call it “death by papercuts”

 

[perdurabo]

Get yourWeed! Coming soon to a State near you.

 

[brian64]

 

[irishearl]

Of course my only concern is availability of pipe tobacco. But, should this come to pass, I expect cigars will be in as big of a world of hurt as pipe tobacco as I'm guessing the cigar market is probably almost as dependent on online sales as pipe tobacco.

 

[jeff540]

And it's implicitly assumed by the authors of these bills that the masses will follow these laws if/when enacted ?

 

[smudgersmissingleg]

I've already pondered this and commented previously about it here. If tobacco becomes illegal, like, say, cocaine is now, possession would be deemed illegal too. Sure, they can start by allowing you a certain limit, but the plan would be to eventually declare ANY amount illegal. If your nosy neighbour espies you through your basement's casement window having a bowl and duly rats you out does his 'civic' duty and reports you, you'll have the cops raiding your home and confiscating everything tobacco-related. And, since possession of an illegal substance makes you a criminal, they'l confiscate your guns too whilst they're at it. Double play!

I had a drug habit for a long time and the idea of having to wait around for some shithead to rock up with an 8-ball of Ennerdale is a scary one.
-"Is this pure my man? This doesn't smell pure!"
-"Yeah brother that's some primo shit right there!"
-"Well for a start I'm not your bloody 'brother' and secondly this has got no sent. This is bullshit my friend"
-"No man that shits made with the finest granny knickers this side of Florida!"
-"Yeah I'm not buying it, this smelis like witches naval fluff mixed with kitty cat bum hair! Is this shit Clan?"
-"No man! Would I do that to you? That's pure Ennerdale, hasn't been stepped on nor nothing."
-"If I wasn't jonesing for a Lakeland bump I'd tell you to get lost!"
-"Nah man it's all good. You be calling me up quick time for some more of that once you've had a taste, TRUST!"
-"You Sir are a swindler and have taken advantage of my predicament for the last time. GOODBYE!"
-"You sure? I've got some sweeeet Esoterica coming in tomorrow."
-"Ummm, go on?"