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macaroon

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I've just begun looking into non-tobacco herbal smoking mixtures as an alternative. Usually there's ingredients like mullein, skullcap, and mallow. I figure that could easily be combined with RYO tobacco, cannabis, or high-CBD hemp to actually get some sort of mild physical effect. Looking around online you can get premade mixtures that are priced a bit higher than tinned tobacco, but it would likely be relatively easy to make your own, too
 
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Worth like 10 to 15 in the Big House?

400 lbs at just $50 per pound makes it worth more than that now. I get your point though, my comment was tongue in cheek. I didn't buy the tobacco as an investment, I bought it to smoke. But I also cannot foresee the future. While I'd feel good if my cellar was suddenly worth $50K due to obsolescence, I'd hate it for BOTL who get caught without a large cellar. Unless I'm forced to sell it for some unknown reason, I don't care if it became worth $200K, I still want to smoke it.
 

olkofri

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I would remind you how the Bundy Ranch standoff ended. A few patriots stood down the US Government. The Revolutionary War only had the backing of 3% of the people in the colonies. Throughout history around the world, a few have stood against what they feel is wrong. Do not make the mistake of underestimating people who are passionate. A few can do great things.
That being said...I have a large cellar and live far away from any neighbors. Most of my friends wouldn't pay too much attention to any ruling they don't agree with either. Nosey people who know what's best for me is one of the many reasons I won't live in a big city.
Not taking shots at you, but I frankly don't see that happening in the present environment, at least not in Canada. The powers that manipulate the powers that be have been doing their job very well, namely the pussification of society. The guy at Cabela's might boast that with 2 million legal gun owners in Canada confiscations just won't happen, but the cops state goons aren't gonna go up against a mass of 2 million: they'll send a squad to a single residence, one owner at a time, à la New Zealand. Ditto for anything they wanna confiscate. Furthermore, with such a demographic 'mosaic' as we have here, you can't rely on your neighbours to help you anymore, since there's no more sense of belonging or community or national unity: each group just looks to the welfare of their own cultural outpost; many of your neighbours are now quite likely to join the goons in despoiling you. Sad times.

Then again, maybe if we sit on the railroad smoking our pipes...
 
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olkofri

Lifer
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You too huh? I've been taking Pepcidine [Famotidine] for around 30 years.
The link that you gave is scary stuff.
Fortunately Pepcidine has caused me no problems [touch wood]
It's the PPIs that followed that are causing more harm than good.

Then there's Statin drugs for cholesterol. Studies have found that they are basically useless and that they increase heart attack risk in certain patients, yet they're still widely prescribed.

Prednisone is a steroid that has some benefit for short term use, yet I've known dozens of patients who've been on it for years. It visibly ages people, destroys the liver and hastens death.
Every person I've known who was on Prednisone long term has died.

My personal favourite is Lyrica, an anti-epileptic that doctors are handing out like candy at Halloween.
Lyrica has nasty side-effects, ruins the liver and sudden cessation can kill.

Last year I spent one week in hospital. Talking to one patient he said he had no idea why he was prescribed Lyrica.
Making a point of asking others I found that over half the patients were given Lyrica for no apparent reason.
One lady asked why and was told "Just in case you get nerve pain." Wisely she refused it.
The doctors are using it as a prophylactic cure-all.

Just a little research reveals the dangers of these drugs and the incorrect prescribing by doctors yet few patients are willing to stand up to their doctors.

"Fire and brimstone tirade"? Absolutely. My surgeon was an aggressive and abusive arsehole. I've heard way too many stories of patients being treated exactly how you describe when they dare to question their specialist.
Their attitude is 'Me brilliant doctor. You ignorant patient.'
Fortunately my GPs have been great.

Many of these widely prescribed pHarmaceuticals are hundreds of times more dangerous than tobacco. Even more dangerous than chemically laden cigarettes.
And then it's we, the tobacco partakers, who are the addicts, eh? :rolleyes:

Not wagging my forefinger at the patients, but at the doctors who have made them so.

Remember the ADD 'epidemic'? Doctors prescribing Ritalin left and right? How come there was never a bill to 'protect the youth' from Big Pharma and its drug dealers?
 
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chopper

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Quite an interesting answer to me, there. Thanks. I did read an article about homegrown being sold on the black market, and yes, they mixed it with commercial sometimes because it was so bad. That ammonia smell sounds like the smell of uncured or partially cured tobacco. Anyway, it was quite interesting to hear what you have seen there. Thanks again.

Sorry to hear about your illness. I'm glad you are getting some relief from pot. It's a crime that medical use is not legal worldwide. I'm 64 now, I've had Neurontin and Lyrica prescribed numerous times. No thank you. When I'm a bit older I'm hoping I can avoid big pharma's screwing and grow my own medicine legally.
That's not to say that it's not happening. Growing tobacco for the black market would be the logical thing to do for enterprising farmers.
It would be so easy to grow if one had a reliable water source.
Finding somewhere inconspicuous to dry and cure tobacco would be the hardest part of the operation.

The Australia I grew up in would not have tolerated such contempt from our politicians. I'm ashamed that there's been little resistance, no outcries of 'foul play'.
So I put my head down and ensured that I've got plenty of tobacco.

Yeah the guys at FairTradeTobacco forum said the same about the ammonia smell.

Thanks but it is what it is.
I've seen over 15 of my past lives and helped others to witness hundreds of theirs. I've also interacted with the spirit world as a clearer of negative entities [the religious call me Exorcist, lol] I've sat with over a dozen people at their moment of passing over. It's quite peaceful.
So I've got a very unique view of reality. I have no fear of death what-so-ever [just the process a little] as I know what to expect. [Anyone with questions please feel free to PM me. It's what I do in life]
I'm now 59yo. I've raised my boy to see him grow into a fine adult.

As long as I don't outlive my tobacco supply I'm content and ready to move on when my time comes. There's nothing to fear except fear itself. :)

That Lyrica is bad news. For the first 7 years my doctors at the pain clinic abused me for refusing their dangerous medications and for using cannabis. Then we had a truce of sorts for the next 13 until just recently when the new head doctor said "You're taking cannabis? Yes we're hearing that it can help." No shit Sherlock. We've been telling you this for decades.
Just stick to your guns mate and wear the bastards down.
Had I succumbed to their pressure I would have died years ago.
 
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shanez

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This is not a shot at anybody and I don't feel anyone has taken a shot at me. Worst case scenario is a little something is lost in type written thoughts in lieu of being able speak directly with others.

First:

We are all of us right in not assumptively trusting any research regardless of the source. In one of his books (I forget which one, it's been a while since I read it. I think it was "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out".), Richard Feynman talks about why would should always conduct our our experiments or do conduct our own research whenever feasible. This was in response to experiencing both a religious instructor and a physics professor telling him to accept what they were saying on faith.

My personal preference in leaning towards a particular source starts with them allowing access to the actual data and papers. The reputable (or what I consider reputable) sources I've found do indeed make the information available for review. Next I look to see if the conductors/researchers are well educated (have degrees, preferably PhDs) and is the research in the field of their education. Then I review to see how closely they followed correct scientific methods. If one does not have a proper methodology, in a field they know something about, and is unwilling to provide true back-up of claims, then I am skeptical of it. I personally think info-graphics found on the internet are among the worst sources.

Second:

I'll attempt an analogy of tobacco research vs weed research: If the amounts of research were sand, the amount of tobacco sand would be the Sahara desert and the weed sand would be enough to fill a child's plastic bucket at the beach.

All of the positive claims about weed could someday be proved true but it is incorrect to claim they are true based on the amount of evidence we have at this time. Much, much more research is necessary.

Last:

I'll end with this eloquent little quote:

"We absolutely must leave room for doubt or there is no progress and no learning. There is no learning without having to pose a question. And a question requires doubt. People search for certainty. But there is no certainty."
- Richard Feynman
 

chopper

Lifer
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There's evidence that it decreases testosterone, and will make you gents grow tits. I've seen pictures of some of you and now this thought is giving me some awful visuals. And evidence that it decreases memory, I think, I can't remember.

Talk about arriving at conclusions from irrelevant events from the past; A few decades back when hydro was in it's infancy, Dutch growers were using female hormones to feminise male plants [females grow the 'fruit']
Over consumption led to blokes growing 'bitch tits'.

Thankfully they've learnt better ways to feminise the seeds themselves, not the plant.
 

sparrowhawk

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Wait a sec, is this law real? Has it actually passed into law? When does it go into effect? Sorry, i've been out of touch with the forum.
 

macaroon

Starting to Get Obsessed
Oct 2, 2015
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Nope, no such law is in effect at the moment. But a bill banning online sales of pipe tobacco just cleared the House of Representatives, which has stirred up conversation