The Samuel Gawith Era

[hawky454]

Change is just probably something we have to deal with. Actually, the idea of a little floral in a latakia blend sounds interesting to me.

When I first started smoking GH&Co's Balkan Mixture years ago, I could pick up on some floral essence in it and it was really captivating. I loved it! Unfortunately I no longer taste it in that mixture but it could be that I'm just so used to it now.

 

[virginialover]

So Dunhill tobaccos will be gone, McClelland is taking a hit and there's a hint about some changes for SG on our forum. I'm not getting paranoid, not at all!

 

[woodsroad]

The changes at Samuel Gawith already happened. They were bought out by Gawith Hoggarth.

 

[virginialover]

The dreaded Lakeland "flavor" is upon us. S.O.S,S.O.S,S.O.S.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

It all started when Greg brought Stonehenge to the US soil, and now SG is lacing its straight tobaccos with it. Next thing you know, we’ll all be wearing monocles and vests, and talking funny. ::

 

[swb118]

I think I've found the answer. Hang with me a moment.

In 1878 brothers Samuel and John Gawith decided to go their separate ways and split the family snuff business.
Samuel took over the mill at Mealbank and John stayed on in Lowther Street – home to the famous ‘pipe-smoking Turk’ sign.
Samuel's business thrived and, in 1881 he built a new factory near Canal Head, calling it Kendal Brown House.
The machinery used there has been dated to around 1750 - it was shipped down from Scotland by horse and cart and was originally made to grind gunpowder during the reign of George II.
The firm in Lowther Street went through some troubled times but, in 1887, a new partnership was founded between Samuel's youngest brother, William Henry, and Henry Hoggarth junior, to be known as Gawith Hoggarth Company.
It continued to manufacture at the Lowther Street works until 2009, when it moved to new premises off Shap Road, which now houses both companies.
Patricia Hovey, of Kendal Civic Society, said the Canal Head site was ‘second only to mintcake’ in its importance to Kendal’s history.

I had to look up "MintCake". Sounds like a peppermint patty.

There are currently two companies that still produce Kendal Mint Cake. The origin of the cake is allegedly the result of a batch of Peppermint creams that went wrong. Supposedly, the mixture was left overnight and it solidified. The 'mint cake' was then discovered in the morning

When your town is largely known for things that "smell", I'm guessing that some funky crossover is inevitable.

 

[Chasing Embers]

More tobacco for me! ::

 

[pipeman7]

It's true I still don't buy it. I've got a whole house full of Gawith tobacco and smoked tins of cabbie's purchased around and after the times mentioned and never got the slightest hint of "lakeland". I think you are all imagining it or you're wives have turned into old ladies and the smell is from your mustaches

 

[mcitinner1]

Well when you think you're more knowledgeable on the subject than Jiminks, there's nothing more to be said. :clap:

 

[virginialover]

pipeman7: believe what you want, this thread was started by cigrmaster and the replies are mostly for him. I have plenty of SG and GH tobaccos myself and the GH tobaccos have a tendency to be Lakeland flavored even when not supposed to be. If SG tobaccos start to go on the same path then, as a smoker that likes them very much by the way, I'll stop buying them. It would mean that quality control is becoming an issue.

 

[lazar]

pipeman7 has a point - just kidding! :rofl:
virginialover does, though. GH aro flakes like Cherry Cream, Brown Flake Vanilla, and even Bob's all have a subtle wisp of Lakeland. To my palate, anyway. SG flakes (including Choc Flake and 1792) do not.

 

[pipeman7]

What's your point lazar? Cherry Cream Flake is a scented flake, so is Vanilla Flake so it would be ridiculous to complain they have scenting. They are supposed to, they are Scented Kendal Lakeland flakes. Lakeland is term that's been misappropriated and it's just used arbitrarily to describe the unique flavorings. 1792 doesn't have any "Lakeland"? LOL. It's one of the oldest blends and has a tonka bean and whiskey topping. Tonquin is the number one flavor mentioned when discussing Lakelands. Frankly I think SG released Lakeland Dark just to fuck with all the people who think Lakeland is a flavor topping lol

 

[lazar]

What people commonly think of as Lakeland flavoring - rightly or wrongly - is the geranium "soapy" stuff. Ennerdale being the prime example. I'm not complaining about the scented flakes at all, and in fact I like "Lakeland" flavor and I think the subtle amount works very well with the flakes I mentioned. To me, 1792 has no flowery geranium soapy taste so using the common (mis)understanding of "Lakeland" flavor, I exclude it from the category. Don't call it Lakeland flavor/sent if you don't want to, but I think it's pretty well established that most GH blends have the geranium soapy stuff and SG blends do not. I don't taste Tonquin in Ennerdale etc., and I do taste it in 1792. I'm saying it's not there, maybe it is. Taste is subjective.

 

[pipeman7]

While taste is subject, the flavorings themselves aren't.

 

[pipeman7]

In my opinion the geranium flavor and the "soap" flavor are two different things. While you can taste the geranium in Brown Flake Scented or Grasmere I think the soapy characteristic comes from something in the texture, almost like a talc thats present in most if not all GH blends.

 

[brightleaf]

Do you have any references on the components of lakelands and in what ratios they are in different blends pipeman7? Or does anyone else?

 

[virginialover]

I couldn't care less about the definintion of Lakeland flavors, soapiness or perfume, if I find those in SG tobaccos like BBF, FVF, Golden Glow, Commonwealth Mixture, Balakan Flake, Squadron Leader, FV Plug, St.James Plug, Kendal Plug and ESPECIALLY Cabbie's Mixture, then it means that quality control is an issue.
pipeman7, I don't see what's so hard to understand, these tobaccos that I mentioned and that I tried, are supposed to be without the soapiness or perfume scent. Their presence can only indicate that something has changed with SG when it merged with GH. Not such a bold statement since it's base on personal observation and listening to other people's testimonies.

 

[woodsroad]

It's not what pipeman experienced, so it must not be true. Simple, really.

 

[virginialover]

woodsroad:

"It's not what pipeman experienced, so it must not be true. Simple, really."
Yeah you're right, I should leave it at that. It would be a shame if SG tobaccos are going this path though, for me I mean.

 

[pipeman7]

No it's not that. virginialover mind if I ask how lonog you've been smoking a pipe? And how long you'd been smoking when you experienced the soapiness in all these blends? You name quite a lot of blends here, you're claiming youv

e experienced soapiness in "BBF, FVF, Golden Glow, Commonwealth Mixture, Balakan Flake, Squadron Leader, FV Plug, St.James Plug, Kendal Plug " and you know for certain all the stock you bought was produced post merger?