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If most tobacco is under contract then you need to have the ability to negotiate for access with the owners of that tobacco. What deals Laudisi has or McClelland has is not common knowledge as far as I know.
To quote oldgeezersmoker's speculation "It is entirely possible that a source available to McClelland might not be available to C&D."
The opposite situation is also probably true. C&D may be able to get leaf that McClellands cannot. With such a controlled market, I doubt they have the same sources.
To quote oldgeezersmoker's speculation "It is entirely possible that a source available to McClelland might not be available to C&D."
The opposite situation is also probably true. C&D may be able to get leaf that McClellands cannot. With such a controlled market, I doubt they have the same sources.
McClelland states on their web page that they use leaf and strip. I am suggesting, without knowing the status of the current regulatory scheme ( and years ago tobacco was subject to many more regulations than other commodity crops), that McClellaand may be a primary processor and use leaf, for at least some of their products. Others may actually have to buy ingredients in already processed form, not raw leaf. Again going back to what I was told in the 1990's, most "blenders" have to use strip or other already processed tobacco purchased from the cigarette companies or processors such as Universal Leaf, which I was told buys leaf but for the most part sells processed product.
In my mind, it is an open question as to who in the pipe tobacco world uses "leaf" and who doesn't. And what I do know about the possible impact of regulations and licesning does not come from McClelland, but from an employee of Lane in Tucker, GA back in the early 1990's
In my mind, it is an open question as to who in the pipe tobacco world uses "leaf" and who doesn't. And what I do know about the possible impact of regulations and licesning does not come from McClelland, but from an employee of Lane in Tucker, GA back in the early 1990's
The pipe tobacco industry is small and tight-knit. Everyone knows everyone, and they buy and sell leaf (whole, threshed and processed) back and forth to each other. Without further current information, anything else is pure supposition, and probably incorrect.
Well shoot, why didn't you tell us that you got your information online on "inter-web" sites? Everybody knows that if you read it on the Internet then it must be true.
According to my taste buds, I've never smoked a C&D blend that tasted a lot like a Pease blend and vice versa. I've never done a side by side test to see if the two are identical in feel and look. But, since you're on the "inter-web" and I read it here... well then, I deduce that it must be true. :puffpipe:
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I apologize to gkr1 and everybody else for the above post. I was trying to be funny but in re-reading it, I came across sounding mean spirited and that was not my intent. Making fun of someone is not clever. I re-read the dadgum thing after the allotted time for editing. Apologies again.
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I think that there are a couple of assumptions made whose validity I question. Mainly I don't support the suggestion that someone who makes their blends from components that they get from the raw source has more integrity than someone who uses, chooses and adapts components from a supplier. It's a little like saying that a pianist who builds his own piano to play on is more legitimate, or a photographer who builds his own camera is more legitimate, or a painter who grinds his own pigments is more legitimate. And by the way, I can, and have, ground and formulated my own pigments. McNeil didn't make his own Syrian Latakia, for example. The art of the blender lies in what he does with the components he selects.
Whether you believe only a few blends are affected by the bad harvest of red Virginia's, or that the sky is falling on the tobacco industry; I suggest that if you have a favorite McClelland blend then stock up if you can. Tobacco prices will only go up in the future, so there is no better time to buy then now. With the pending FDA regulations your favorite blends may be eliminated from production in the future, and if the rumors are true about McClelland then you'll have acquired some of your favorite tobacco before it is gone from the market.
People will take the information whether fact or hearsay and run with it how they choose. With many people in panic buying mode; if those individuals are correct about the potential for McClelland being done they'll have secured many tins of their favorite tobacco. Those that are standing by to see what happens may lose out completely. Proceed how you see fit.
People will take the information whether fact or hearsay and run with it how they choose. With many people in panic buying mode; if those individuals are correct about the potential for McClelland being done they'll have secured many tins of their favorite tobacco. Those that are standing by to see what happens may lose out completely. Proceed how you see fit.
I watched the video and I am not really better informed about what he goes through to source his leaf. How could we from a 30 second clip? I don't know exactly what we are supposed to get an idea about from this video. Mike does not talk about GLP, he does not talk about retiring, he does not suggest that he wants to sell his business, and he does not mention 5100.
I don't know if GLP procures his own tobacco, but I do believe him when he says that there are good Red Virginias still out there. He also states that the sky is not falling. I would rather believe him than the doom and gloomers posting in this thread.
When a thread like this happens, be sure to note that there really weren't a lot of doom and gloomers. A whole lot more people posted in this thread that said that we should wait for facts or official words to come out. And, only a couple said that they believe the rumors and the sky is falling. And, I am guessing that those who support the doom and gloom also participate in other pipe communities like youtube and where ever.
So, let's save the generalizations. This is NOT a commonly held belief here.
So, let's save the generalizations. This is NOT a commonly held belief here.
Perhaps...but even GLP had to post that the sky is not falling. This thread is evidence that there are at least some doom and gloomers out there.
Or perhaps this thread is evidence that there are a few of us that just can't see the writing on the wall...and that the apocalypse is indeed heading our way. :lol:
The other thread wasn't full of doom and gloomers either. They just commented to answers folk's speculations as to the availability of red Virginias.
There is more diversity of rumors than just one prevailing belief.
There is more diversity of rumors than just one prevailing belief.
I have been warned about the impending pipe tobacco FDA apocalypse since my very first day on this forum, the radioshow, and all of pipedom has been discussing this for years and years. So, if someone doesn't realize that our time with things the way they are is ending, then they have just been going about with blinders on.
-Yes, we will lose some blends.
-online tobacco sales will not last forever.
-taxes will go up on tobaccos.
-eventually, this will all just be a memory.
If you have not been paying attention, the rest of us have been cellaring deeply. If you have not, then I'm sorry. But, this has been the writing on the wall for longer than I have been here. If you chose not to believe it, then all I can say is, "sucks for you."
With Finland looking to be tobacco free in 12 years, the WHO and antis of the world will likely be pushing for the same. Apocalypse may be strong wording, but bans and eextremely high taxing is likely in the near future.
For the reason that I don't think integrity is an issue, I have tried to be very careful in how I have phrased what I have said. It is very possible for the statements "We can't get red Virginia" and "There is plenty of Red Virginia out there" to both be true, depending on the part of the product chain you get your Red Virginia from.
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