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Maybe because they're in the business of selling tobacco to smokers? Besides, how do we know that they're not sitting on 5,000,000 tins of it in the back room?
I spoke to Todd at McCranies about this a week ago. He said that many of the old time tobacco farmers that produced the high grade flue cured leaf had gotten out of the business. Many fans had sold out to corporate interest. The new farmers and corporate interests were selling their tobacco to the cigarette companies. The most recent crop of high grade Red Virginia was rejected by mcclelland as it didn't meet their standards. According to Todd, McClleland will not be shipping any 5100 or blends based on the high quality red Virginia leaf in the foreseeable future.
He also said McCranies has a limited number of tins of red ribbon and red flake left and only one batch of leaf left at mcclelland. This all makes sense and given their relationship with mcclelland, it seems to have the ring of truth to it. Very sad news as my favorite tobaccos are the mcclelland red Virginia. Todd said nothing about Mclelland creating operations though. Given their age, the tobacco shortage and the FDA crap, who could blame them?
He also said McCranies has a limited number of tins of red ribbon and red flake left and only one batch of leaf left at mcclelland. This all makes sense and given their relationship with mcclelland, it seems to have the ring of truth to it. Very sad news as my favorite tobaccos are the mcclelland red Virginia. Todd said nothing about Mclelland creating operations though. Given their age, the tobacco shortage and the FDA crap, who could blame them?
My rumor mongering comes from my friends Mortimer and Randolph; a Mr Clarence Beeks...what I know is true regarding the future crop projections
What is it that you know theediabeticman? I didn't see your previous post.
There are still a lot of unanswered questions after looking at the measly evidence. Was the crop that McClellands tested green or aged 2-3 years? Was it something they bought and they just didn't want to invest in another batch? If so, for what reason? Tobacco varies considerably with each year (weather), and it varies by location grown (major growing belts). Why is there no good red VA? Is it due to that years crop or current availability now being produce every year? Are the cigarette companies not sharing with McClellands like they used to? How much tobacco evaluating did the McNiels actually do in person? Did they use an agent? I could come up with many more questions based on what we don't know. It would be beneficial if we got a clear, honest in depth explanation of what is going from someone at McClellands and what their goals are for the future.
There are still a lot of unanswered questions after looking at the measly evidence. Was the crop that McClellands tested green or aged 2-3 years? Was it something they bought and they just didn't want to invest in another batch? If so, for what reason? Tobacco varies considerably with each year (weather), and it varies by location grown (major growing belts). Why is there no good red VA? Is it due to that years crop or current availability now being produce every year? Are the cigarette companies not sharing with McClellands like they used to? How much tobacco evaluating did the McNiels actually do in person? Did they use an agent? I could come up with many more questions based on what we don't know. It would be beneficial if we got a clear, honest in depth explanation of what is going from someone at McClellands and what their goals are for the future.
A day ago jvnshr posted a quantity of 650 tins of 40th. At 100 grams a piece that amounts to about 143lbs. If McClellands makes them in 500lb batches that can give us a clue about what may be available in the future. If they make it in 1,000lb batches or 500lb I don't know. Knowing what has been sold previously from smokingpipes and pipesandcigars would also help us to figure out what was made and what is left.
The last McClelland thread had C&D blenders, Russ, and Greg Pease telling us that there are plenty of reds out there, just not one to fit 5100. So, these conspiracy folks just casts aside everything they’ve said and predict woe and misery, like they were lying to us?
I know only what was told to me and I shared it on the Fallon thread.
One thing is true - a lot of people are wrong.
But you can trust Thomas Jefferson Johnson (the name you know) he’s cosmically right and not a theorist of any kind
One thing is true - a lot of people are wrong.
But you can trust Thomas Jefferson Johnson (the name you know) he’s cosmically right and not a theorist of any kind
I looked somewhere but didn't find that info gkr1. That would require 2205lbs of tobacco to fill. An odd quantity, but anything is possible. There are more vendors that sell 40th Anniversary than the two I listed.
theedibeticman you talk as if everyone is part of your clique. There are more readers that know people's member name than people that know people's given names. Fallon's thread? I guess if I want to know what you said I have to work for it.
theedibeticman you talk as if everyone is part of your clique. There are more readers that know people's member name than people that know people's given names. Fallon's thread? I guess if I want to know what you said I have to work for it.
On a side note Cosmic you’re guilty of a logical Fallacy...see you associated the “Red VA” situation with the McClelland situation. Although similarities are shared between each situation, to say McClelland is or maybe closing forever isn’t to question the integrity of Pease and the other Blenders mentioned regarding their opinion on Red VA. Tsk tsk. Don’t fall for the old banana in the tailpipe detective.
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The logic is this... If I knew without a doubt that McClelland is closing, I would keep my mouth shut, at least until I had bought out as much of everything that I love to last me a lifetime. Telling everyone just rushes the cattle to the trough at once. No one is going to benefit from having to shove, kick, punch, and max out credit cards.
However, if I was a smart questioning forum member, I'd continue to deny these allegations, at least until we can get it from the horses mouth. But meanwhile, I'd be buying as much as I could afford.
Being the first one to break this type of news doesn't necessarily make you a hero, like breaking a scandal would. For those of us who are passionate about McClelland's Virginias, this is like having someone happy to beat down doors to tell us that our Mother is about to die. So, please excuse our lack of enthusiasm about this news.
However, if I was a smart questioning forum member, I'd continue to deny these allegations, at least until we can get it from the horses mouth. But meanwhile, I'd be buying as much as I could afford.
Being the first one to break this type of news doesn't necessarily make you a hero, like breaking a scandal would. For those of us who are passionate about McClelland's Virginias, this is like having someone happy to beat down doors to tell us that our Mother is about to die. So, please excuse our lack of enthusiasm about this news.
Logical fallacy? All we really, truly know is that 5100 is going away...and we know what "other blenders" have told us about the Red Virginia situation. Yet you would want us to believe that the apocalypse is coming based on what your friends have told you? And you tsk tsk Cosmic? LOL
The Catch 22 on the whole being a pissed McClelland fan is that if it is not true, and their lollygagging about, allowing the panic buying, then screw them for that also. It And, then kicking back to reap the returns... if it's not true or if true.
Just the opinion of one person who always has a tin or jar of McClelland's Virginias open at all times. Just one opinion. I wash my hands of this whole thing. If I have to learn to love the other types of Virginias, or maybe cigars...
Just the opinion of one person who always has a tin or jar of McClelland's Virginias open at all times. Just one opinion. I wash my hands of this whole thing. If I have to learn to love the other types of Virginias, or maybe cigars...
In the absence of facts let whatever speculative imaginings have slipped past your meds become the facts.
I've been getting calls and emails about McClelland for months. They all began with "We didn't have this conversation..." or "You didn't hear this from me..." and they're from some pretty prominent names in the community. I realize that I'm going back on my word in releasing this information, but I feel that it somehow serves a greater good to put this information out, so that you can make your own cellaring decisions. So here it is.
McClelland is, and is not, going to cease making 5100 forever. McClelland is, and is not, going to cease making a great number of blends. McClelland is, and is not, going to be sold to a major tobacco company. McClelland is, and is not, dumping its unused stores. McClelland will close operations: a. next month, b. this fall, c. next year, d. in 2020, e. when hell freezes over.
I hope this finally clarifies things. This comes from very prominent and well connected people in the community and while I've violated their trust in revealing this secret information I will not reveal their names.
I've been getting calls and emails about McClelland for months. They all began with "We didn't have this conversation..." or "You didn't hear this from me..." and they're from some pretty prominent names in the community. I realize that I'm going back on my word in releasing this information, but I feel that it somehow serves a greater good to put this information out, so that you can make your own cellaring decisions. So here it is.
McClelland is, and is not, going to cease making 5100 forever. McClelland is, and is not, going to cease making a great number of blends. McClelland is, and is not, going to be sold to a major tobacco company. McClelland is, and is not, dumping its unused stores. McClelland will close operations: a. next month, b. this fall, c. next year, d. in 2020, e. when hell freezes over.
I hope this finally clarifies things. This comes from very prominent and well connected people in the community and while I've violated their trust in revealing this secret information I will not reveal their names.
Other blenders are not buyers nor they procure tobacco. Additionally, blenders that do not tin or actually source leaf naturally will be looking at their bottom line. None will say that the quality has suffered or good leaf is harder to source. This shortage has been going on for years and its going to get worse in my estimation. Even Mike Mcneil had mentioned months before the 5100 dimeise that getting good leaf is getting harder and the crop that is left has not been up to his standard. I am assuming within few years once his reserves run low the prices will go up and eventually he will stop selling 3oz tins. As a Va lover I rather buy now than taking a chance. Buying cheap and aging is much more sensible option. I take Mikes word over other blenders, he is in the business. Its not doom and gloom but there is concern and uncertainty!
My meds are insulin and doesn’t effect the memory much.
Cosmic is smart and snarky enough to understand my statement and dare I say he appreciates it on at least one level.
I agree with Cosmic in the area of being a pissed McClelland VA lover who always has some open, bad news and skewed news is disheartening (but not necessarily #Fakenews).
It only matters what your friends say, if your friend’s words matter. And believe what you will, just like tobacco smoke what you like.
I love McClelland and I am happy to see 40th is back in stock.
I too will stay silent regarding this issue. I am bathed from this; and as Prince Akeem’s maidservant announces before he came to America “the royal p$#€s is clean your highness”
Cosmic is smart and snarky enough to understand my statement and dare I say he appreciates it on at least one level.
I agree with Cosmic in the area of being a pissed McClelland VA lover who always has some open, bad news and skewed news is disheartening (but not necessarily #Fakenews).
It only matters what your friends say, if your friend’s words matter. And believe what you will, just like tobacco smoke what you like.
I love McClelland and I am happy to see 40th is back in stock.
I too will stay silent regarding this issue. I am bathed from this; and as Prince Akeem’s maidservant announces before he came to America “the royal p$#€s is clean your highness”
Okay. Can you share a link with us where Mike informs us that he is retiring...or closing down...or discontinuing any other blend besides 5100? Please don't post a link to someone's account of what he was told in a phone conversation with Mike or some mysterious industry insider.
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