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Really, postmodernism isn't a word you see just dropped into conversation. It really makes the conversation more surreal and I get the impression that we all could be a little more constructivism in our comments. De stijl all just opinions, no matter how bauhaus you cut it. Nouveau what I mean?

 

npod

Lifer
Jun 11, 2017
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These terms are hurting my brain. I just want to smoke some tobacco now.

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jpberg

Lifer
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One time I bought a birth year Dunhill because all the cool guys on pipes.org were smoking Haddos in them. Then I sold it, cause it smoked like a bucket pipe from my local.

I’ve always wondered, does this make me a bad person?

 

seacaptain

Lifer
Apr 24, 2015
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Really, postmodernism isn't a word you see just dropped into conversation. It really makes the conversation more surreal and I get the impression that we all could be a little more constructivism in our comments. De stijl all just opinions, no matter how bauhaus you cut it. Nouveau what I mean?
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sasquatch

Lifer
Jul 16, 2012
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I've a bit more time now than this morning, so I'll offer a response in two parts to the OP, as I am one of the "patriarchs" in question.
Part the First:
There's lots of info on the web, some good, some not so good, some bad, some dangerous. What's difficult is sorting out where information is coming from, and whether it's good or bad, whether the source is reliable (quickly think of the currently circulating quote from Joseph Goebbels about making a lie big enough to believe - just you TRY to pinpoint where he said it. Looks like maybe he didn't.) What happens on every forum in every walk of life - horticulture, autoracing, fancy horses... whatever, is that there is a certain crowd of... lay-men... for lack of a better term, who believe they have expertise. Genuine expertise shows up once in awhile, tries to be helpful, and then runs away because there are more lay-men who "know" better.
So an example from the pipe world - someone might make a claim about something like Corsican briar being better than Algerian. And this will be backed up by some or other anecdote. A briar cutter and a pipe maker of 20 years could come in and explain about regional variations in briar, about how some mills buy from all over the mediterranean (that is, briar supply is not localized). About curing methods in the past and present. And the result of all these efforts to educate, is that the lay-man believes whatever he believes cuz reasons. Because that's what he heard, that's what his infallible tobacconist told him.. whatever. The ivory Dunhill dot is a GREAT example of this. Isn't Ivory, never was, but we ALL KNOW IT WAS!
This leads people (again I'm not just talking about pipes) who have expertise gained from firsthand experience over many years to AVOID conversations with lay-men who do not want to become educated. It leaves pipe forums devoid of pipe makers mostly (case in point here). Engine forums devoid of mechanics, and plant forums devoid of horticulturists proper.
Part the Second.
Plug, I came after you because I've watched you say things I think are untrue of pipes in general, and expensive pipes in particular, but really what got me is that you pulled out of the gate doing something called "begging the question" which technically occurs in an argument when you assume the conclusion in one of your premises. Look it up. In particular you said this "He drills a non-engineered straight line through the shank into the bowl, at the bottom and centered. No engineering here. But he does take extra time with the stem and uses a variety of tools to promote the airflow through it. He opens the stem but uses no engineering principles in doling so. Also of note are the final two sentences which clearly state that hours spent on minute features, which might amount to engineering, produce little or no airway improvement."
And I disagree with it, more particularly your assumption that no engineering principles are involved, and I told you why, and included some of the technical references you might go and educate yourself with - Bernoulli's principles for example.
So where this leaves you.... I dunno.

 
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I think this thread should go postmortem vs postmodern (whatever that is).
When I see 75% of the pipe carvers able to actually describe Bernoulli's Principle and then explain how it is useful in drilling a pipe, I'll give some credence to pipes being engineered. I would prefer to purchase a pipe from a carver who also smokes a lot and has determined the perfect drilling process based upon their experiments. I'm not sure but I suspect Bernoulli never smoked a pipe and his Principle has a lot more to do with keeping an airplane afloat than it does with pipe smoking. For that matter, I just wish 90% plus of the pipe carvers would drill their pipes so that it passes a pipe cleaner smoothly. I struggle to give much credibility to a claim about engineering the drilling when the pipe won't even pass a cleaner smoothly.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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So, Sasquatch, what I got out of your post is that 5/32" is, in fact, the ideal airway diameter. I had suspected that all along, you know.

 

bnichols23

Lifer
Mar 13, 2018
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>>"limited subset of "every area of thinking. Really? a somewhat limited subset"? -- Yup, precisely, yaddy. My point being, postmodernism was being painted as literally universally applicable when in point of actual fact the arts/academia/philosophy application was being inappropriately extrapolated to the far larger *non*-philosophical/academic whole, i.e. the complete actual real world, without even justification of a single non-academic example. Even within the realm of philosophy that's considered a logical fallacy, & therefore invalid as applied to the whole. QED, therefore - "limited subset" of a far larger universe, without even alone exemplar to serve. -grin-

 

seacaptain

Lifer
Apr 24, 2015
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My point being, postmodernism was being painted as literally universally applicable when in point of actual fact the arts/academia/philosophy application was being inappropriately extrapolated to the far larger *non*-philosophical/academic whole, i.e. the complete actual real world, without even justification of a single non-academic example.
Postmodernism is a philosophy, a way of thinking. Of course it intersects with the real world. You see it all around you in the major debates going on in the world today. As noted above, it also encompasses the "actual real world" through art, music, architecture, education, business practices, and spills over into actual policy and laws that get created.
Respectfully, if you think postmodern thinking doesn't impact the real world, you either don't understand what postmodernism is, or you aren't paying attention.

 

sasquatch

Lifer
Jul 16, 2012
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"So, Sasquatch, what I got out of your post is that 5/32" is, in fact, the ideal airway diameter. I had suspected that all along, you know."
Yes, and now it's officially ratified, so you can enjoy your pipes 13.2% more, knowing that they meet with the approval of the patriachy!
(I do like 5/32", I find anything smaller to be a bit more prone to gurgle with even the smallest bit of moisture, though I realize there's tons of guys who love those old Brit pipes (and Stanwells) with a smaller airway. The pipes that garner the most praise are built more or less how Rick Newcombe specs stuff in "In Search of Pipe Dreams" - the 11/64 airway and a bit of a pinch in the stem, even though this contravenes the outright "constant volume" approach.)

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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If passing a pipe cleaner easily is your measure of a well produced pipe ... well, good on you. I have pipes, severely bent, which cannot easily pass a cleaner without being broken down. Each of which is a well made and designed pipe. Give me a great smoking pipe each time, I'll figure out the cleaning and reaming.

 
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