Longer, Analytical Posts

[kickinbears]

One thing I’ve learned to accept over the couple of decades I’ve been around online forums, and which remains consistent between all forums regardless of forum theme, is the rampant narcissism. Some want honest discussion, and take the time to read and understand others pov, before responding. Others read the title, hop in, and write a dissertation without reading the OP. Other people are just looking for a fight, while still others want to increase their post count. Some of these could easily and fairly be attributed to control issues, alpha male responses, etc.
It’s one of the reasons I tend to lurk for so long, extrapolating info I’m looking for without interaction, as well as developing a feel for the community.
Sorry to hear it’s causing an issue for you. I’ve learned to just tune this type of stupid shit out

 

[briarbuck]

Been doing to forum thing since '96. Yes, I was an early adapter.
There is far less trolling here than any other forum I have participated in over the past 20 years.

 

[warren]

"Truth" and "fact" are predominately a matter of perception, so most always open to interpretation and discussion. I, usually, not always note that I am posting an opinion. I fully expect, particularly on some subjects, to be called on my opinion. I enjoy dissent until it morphs into "ad hominem"/ personal attack. Someone isn't ignorant because they disagree. Dissent should not be taken personally. Sometimes, due to language or education differences, a dissenting opinion may appear to be persona. I allow, what I think is, a great degree of leeway before seeing such as a personal affront. Better to err and let a personal attack go unnoticed than to react with a jerk of the knee and an poorly thought out retort.
And, one also needs to recognize when further discussion is a waste of time for all concerned unless, the thread has simply devolved into one of our "fun filled", "ball busting" threads as opposed to a serious, vitriol filled tit for tat. Those are interesting/amusing to read but a waste of time to participate in ... usually.

 

[npod]

"The guys on this site are bonafide saints compared to the forum members there."
I agree with this statement fully. This place is indeed an oasis of discussion and thoughtful responses. I actually learn here and have for years, even before I decided to join and contribute.
Try going to the watch boards or even the fly fishing boards. Damn, those guys are brutal. Just mention Rolex or Sage rods and the Timex and fiberglass guys will jump down your neck and then say bad things about your Mother.

 

[sablebrush52]

So often posts are very short, I suppose as internet users have the attention span of a wren
I'd be careful about assuming anything about your fellow forum members.

Yeah! Some of us don't even have that! I'm sorry. Were you saying something? Oh look! Squirrel!!!

 

[bassbug]

Rolex or Sage rods and the Timex and fiberglass guys will jump down your neck and then say bad things about your Mother.

To each their own, but I'll take fiberglass or bamboo over graphite any day.
No comment on the watches, its out of my scope.

 

[seacaptain]

Others read the title, hop in, and write a dissertation without reading the OP. Other people are just looking for a fight, while still others want to increase their post count.

Says the new guy with 61 posts.

 

[seacaptain]

"Truth" and "fact" are predominately a matter of perception,

Only if you're a postmodernist.

 

[kickinbears]

Says the new guy with 61 post

I assume y’all started at 0 at some point. May I also tee up the perception that “post count is low so contribution to discussion is meaningless” as condescending!
/icing butt, which is hurt :rofl:
Seriously though, this community is overall cool as shit, else I would have cont’d to stay in the shadows. Which is why the OP caught me off guard a tad..

 

[bnichols23]

"predominately a matter of perception." ... "Only if you're a postmodernist." -- Actually I'd take at least a little issue on that. Having been a manager in widely varying environments with anywhere from 1-35 direct-reports for 40-years-plus, I learned eons ago that "what is perceived is what is real." Too often what's fact/truth to people is what they themselves perceive, & altering that situation can range from difficult to patently impossible. Unfortunately ego often drives a lot of it.
Anyway, all, take it for whatever it may/may not be worth to you. When I was a kid (i.e., under 30) I thought I had a solid immutable bead on everything. The older I get & the more experience I gain, the more I'm glad I managed to get out of that absurd mindset.
Bill

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I just read through the “Engineering” post, and I’m not sure what the problem is. I mean, we were given an OP about pipemakers using the term “engineering” in relation to drilling a hole. Then, we all gave our opinions on the use of the term. IMO, there was no absolute truth or facts that can be given. So, we are left to discuss what we think. The thread wasn’t closed, so anyone can still post. No one was bashing anyone, nor gave a deal killing post that reigns absolute, thereby killing any further discussion. Sure, there was one, maybe a few, that lacked open-mindedness or even a well reasoned post, but it didn’t kill the thread, IMO.
Why not just post on the original thread and keep it going. There is absolutely no one that can overrride (kill) a post with their expertise or status except a mod. We are still allowed our opinions, despite what an expert tells us. That was the nature of my last post on there. I don’t give a shit if Eltang himself posts telling me that such and such is the only way to do something, we are ALL still allowed to have an opinion and post, unless it breaks a forum rule.

 

[sablebrush52]

Anyway, all, take it for whatever it may/may not be worth to you. When I was a kid (i.e., under 30) I thought I had a solid immutable bead on everything. The older I get & the more experience I gain, the more I'm glad I managed to get out of that absurd mindset.

+ 1000 Consider yourself fortunate that you figured that out. Some people never do.

 

[seacaptain]

"predominately a matter of perception." ... "Only if you're a postmodernist." -- Actually I'd take at least a little issue on that.

Individuals deciding for themselves what "truth" or "fact" means is the very definition of postmodernism. I didn't make up the definition, I'm just pointing it out.

Too often what's fact/truth to people is what they themselves perceive, & altering that situation can range from difficult to patently impossible. Unfortunately ego often drives a lot of it. []

That's a different discussion though. Facts are independent of someone's perception. Perception = opinion, which may or may not align with the facts. People (not directed at you) who are open minded will consider facts they weren't previously aware of and take that info consideration when forming their opinion (perception). Only close minded people ignore facts and proceed with incorrect perceptions.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Individuals deciding for themselves what "truth" or "fact" means is the very definition of postmodernism

We’ve discussed postmodernism and your unique definition or use of the term. I know it as a term used for a movement in art where the artist combines styles from the classics to make a new style or depict new images. Where do you find this definition that you are using? In what circles do they use this term in this way? I just did another google search to find a way where the word isn’t used as you described, with no results.

 

[floridapipeman]

Bottom Line - you need a thick skin to post and always always have your big boy pants on when doing so.

 

[seacaptain]

We’ve discussed postmodernism and your unique definition or use of the term. I know it as a term used for a movement in art where the artist combines styles from the classics to make a new style or depict new images. Where do you find this definition that you are using?

I'll take this as a serious question even though I find it hard to believe you aren't aware of what postmodern thought is and how it applies to every area of thinking, not just art.
Wikipedia gives a good overview.
"Postmodern thinkers frequently call attention to the contingent or socially-conditioned nature of knowledge claims and value systems, situating them as products of particular political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies. Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, subjectivism, and irreverence."
I.e., you get to decide for yourself what "truth" is because what you thought was the truth was just something the "social construct" wanted you to believe. The 57 genders debate is a good example of this.
This philosophy is developed out of 19th century Existentialism, which essentially says that you can create your own meaning in life. Existentialism wasn't divorced from Enlightenment principles though, i.e., objective truth exists and can be discovered through reason and science.
Postmodernism made that break with reason and science, and took Existentialism to the next level. Not only can you decide the meaning of life for yourself, you get to decide what's true and not true to give yourself that meaning.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Yeh, doesn't apply to Postmodern art, as it has nothing to do with any of that. But, they've sure made an impression with you. Check out the work of David Salle. He has some pretty awesome paintings. I don't run with folks that gripe about philosophy. Mostly what other people think and believe is none of my business. ::
Now, back to the regularly scheduled OP.

 

[aldecaker]

Man, I didn't realize you were talking about the "Engineering" thread. From the sound of it, I thought someone (the Patriarchs?) had really stomped a mudhole in your ass and then walked it dry again! I skimmed through the engineering thread again, and it looks like you came out of it OK.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

+1 aldecake, I couldn't find anything terrible in there. The jokesters making their jokes, the bumholes showing their bums, and all of the rest is the unenlightened giving their unenlightenment. Unless, it is because none of us offered advise on the proper engineering involved with opening a draft up. That would be rather obvious, in that none of us understood what was meant by engineering. ::

 

[georged]

The 57 genders debate is a good example of this.

This subversive bullshit is getting out of hand...
Anyone with half a brain knows there are fifty EIGHT!!!
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