Interesting Completed Ebay Auctions - British Pipes

[orlandofurioso]

Missed this one on purpose , not because I did not fancy it :

Vintage DUNHILL Shell Briar Bent Smoking Pipe | eBay

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[Fiddlepiper]

Missed this one on purpose , not because I did not fancy it :

Vintage DUNHILL Shell Briar Bent Smoking Pipe | eBay

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I only missed it by £1732.14 ??

 

[Kottan]

Missed this pre 1957 Charatan supreme by a whisker :

Charatans Make Supreme Lovat 090 Sattel Mund Stück Rauchen Pfeife | eBay

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I did a long lasting think to bet or not to bet cause this specimen is a Reuben era Lovat. (S. Screenshot of from the 1951 Charatan catalog


Congrats to the winner!
Ihave a Dublin Special 92 from this era, of course the price was much lower (s. Second foto ).

 

[orlandofurioso]

I did a long lasting think to bet or not to bet cause this specimen is a Reuben era Lovat. (S. Screenshot of from the 1951 Charatan catalog
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Congrats to the winner!
Ihave a Dublin Special 92 from this era, of course the price was much lower (s. Second

Missed this pre 1957 Charatan supreme by a whisker :

Charatans Make Supreme Lovat 090 Sattel Mund Stück Rauchen Pfeife | eBay

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Blimey ! I'm appalled, how could I not have seen this. Or am I delusional ?
This is not a lovat, this is obviously Charatan's famous 090 Dublin shape. The most pure of all Dublin shapes and now with a lovat stem.
When you look at the pictures closely it shows that the stem is not in perfect alignment with the shank.
If I am wrong, let me stand corrected . If my notion is correct I hope the winner is happy with his pipe.

 

[sablebrush52]

Blimey ! I'm appalled, how could I not have seen this. Or am I delusional ?
This is not a lovat, this is obviously Charatan's famous 090 Dublin shape. The most pure of all Dublin shapes and now with a lovat stem.
When you look at the pictures closely it shows that the stem is not in perfect alignment with the shank.
If I am wrong, let me stand corrected . If my notion is correct I hope the winner is happy with his pipe.

It's not that uncommon for an old pipe to develop a lack of flush fit between the shank and the stem. Wood shrinks slightly over the decades

 

[orlandofurioso]

It's not that uncommon for an old pipe to develop a lack of flush fit between the shank and the stem. Wood shrinks slightly over the decades

So true Jesse, so true. I've seen many pipes with a tiny gap between the face of the shank and the stem.
Not yet a divorce, but a separation possibly due to a aprox. 8 % shrinkage of the briar.
But can brar shrink in circumference ?
Aside from al that , this is not a Dublin's stem .
In my trunk is a Charatan Super pipe, it is somewhat of an anomaly.
A lovat with a huge bowl, yet a lovat with a similar stem, the S logo faintly visible still.
Maybe my imagination gets the beter of me.

 

[sablebrush52]

But can brar shrink in circumference ?

Absolutely. But it's not always a uniform amount of shrinkage. It depends on the orientation and density of grain, among other things. One of the things I learned from George Dibos is that mortises can go out of round over time because of the direction of shrinkage. In some cases it's enough to require George to re-round the mortise before fitting a pipe with a replacement stem.

 

[Kottan]

Blimey ! I'm appalled, how could I not have seen this. Or am I delusional ?
This is not a lovat, this is obviously Charatan's famous 090 Dublin shape. The most pure of all Dublin shapes and now with a lovat stem.
When you look at the pictures closely it shows that the stem is not in perfect alignment with the shank.
If I am wrong, let me stand corrected . If my notion is correct I hope the winner is happy with his pipe.

Orlando, that was the reason why I thought so long whether to bid on the pipe or not. I then passed on it because I could not classify it clearly.I then passed on it because I could not classify it clearly. No doubt it is a pipe from the Reuben era.(as @kenbarnes said, Reuben always stamped the shape # close to fit ?). I also think the stem is original. The CP logo is still well readable. It is a Lovat with a Dublin bowl but I have not found the shape # 099 anywhere. As far as I know the Charatan's Dublins never start with a 0 in the shape code. You can find the 0 on Lumbermans (Canadians) and Lovats. Quite confusing the whole thing. ?

 

[orlandofurioso]

Hi Kottan,
Yes, this is Reuben era pipe and I love them ; shape nr. is close to the stem.
I'm not entirely sure if the Dublin shape nrs. never started with an 0 .
Is the stem per se original because it has CP logo , which makes it a Charatan one ?
This is by the way a 090, not a 099
The Charatan Dublin is a shape 90 . Also 91 being a medium one ; also is the most beautiful bell dublin 33 .
I own a bell dublin deluxe with the shape nr. 90, or 090 and it does not look to be a topped dublin.
Lovat could be a shape 014 etc.

What struck me most is the Dublin bowl, a lovat is supposed to have a billiard one, not ?
I'm utterly confused, need coffee and breakfast

 

[Kottan]

Orlando, that was the reason why I thought so long whether to bid on the pipe or not. I then passed on it because I could not classify it clearly.I then passed on it because I could not classify it clearly. No doubt it is a pipe from the Reuben era.(as @kenbarnes said, Reuben always stamped the shape # close to fit ?). I also think the stem is original. The CP logo is still well readable. It is a Lovat with a Dublin bowl but I have not found the shape # 099 anywhere. As far as I know the Charatan's Dublins never start with a 0 in the shape code. You can find the 0 on Lumbermans (Canadians) and Lovats. Quite confusing the whole thing. ?

Sorry, "099" was a typo it should be "090".

 

[orlandofurioso]

 

[Kottan]

Hi Kottan,
Yes, this is Reuben era pipe and I love them ; shape nr. is close to the stem.
I'm not entirely sure if the Dublin shape nrs. never started with an 0 .
Is the stem per se original because it has CP logo , which makes it a Charatan one ?
This is by the way a 090, not a 099
The Charatan Dublin is a shape 90 . Also 91 being a medium one ; also is the most beautiful bell dublin 33 .
I own a bell dublin deluxe with the shape nr. 90, or 090 and it does not look to be a topped dublin.
Lovat could be a shape 014 etc.

What struck me most is the Dublin bowl, a lovat is supposed to have a billiard one, not ?
I'm utterly confused, need coffee and breakfast

Hi Orlando,
the term “Lovat" was used by the seller.

I think the correct description would have been “long shanked Dublin with a short saddle stem"

But that wouldn't solve our problem of the missing shape no. either. ?

There is simply too little literature from the Reuben era (1910-1962).

I would be interested in your Charatan Dublin with the 0 at the beginning of the shape code. Could you please post a picture of it?

 

[orlandofurioso]

Hi Orlando,
the term “Lovat" was used by the seller.

I think the correct description would have been “long shanked Dublin with a short saddle stem"

But that wouldn't solve our problem of the missing shape no. either. ?

There is simply too little literature from the Reuben era (1910-1962).

I would be interested in your Charatan Dublin with the 0 at the beginning of the shape code. Could you please post a picture ?

Sure will Kottan, if I can retrieve it
Yes, it was the seller who described the pipe as being a lovat shape, not us.

 

[ssjones]

Here's a curious one. I've never seen a Sasieni Cavalier shape. This one is shown as an Eight Dot, and the title says "More than Scarce", so probably true. The seller discloses and shows a photo of the repaired crack in the briar - but at the cavalier plug end. I suppose if not removed, it would hold up? $364, not cheap.

More Than Scarce Sasieni Eight Dot Rustic 98 Cavalier (PLEASE READ) | eBay

I've never seen one. Comoy's, Dunhill, and other English makers from this era all made cavalier pipes. I've never seen one by Sasieni (not in their older catalogs). Shape number 98. It's a beauty.

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[orlandofurioso]

Sure will Kottan, if I can retrieve it
Yes, it was the seller who described the pipe as being a lovat shape, not us.

Hi Kottan,

I was so wrong The ones I can find are all shape 90, not 090 .

 

[Kottan]

Hi Kottan,

I was so wrong The ones I can find are all shape 90, not 090 .

Thanks for the info Roland and do not fret. Here is something to smile about. An order form for Charatan pipes retailers. I guess it's from 1957.

 

[orlandofurioso]

Where did you find this, ?
Wonderful info.

 

[Kottan]

Where did you find this, ?
Wonderful info.

Hi Orlando,
stupidly i forgot to copy the url. Will try to find it again, it was on a social network could be pinterest or instagram. But I recall (found out) that the poster sells Charatans on ebay from East Europe and always presents his pipes on a plate with ornaments.

 

[greeneyes]

I enjoy collecting old Ben Wade pipes and I was observing this one below to see how high the auction would go:

Rare Cased 1902 BEN WADE Antique Block MEERSCHAUM & SILVER Estate Pipe Pipa 烟斗 | eBay

There is a shallow layer of carbon in the chamber. The maker's mark "BW " is again stamped on the silver ferrule above three hallmarks for England, Chester, 1902. Air flows through the pipe freely.

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I think that, for my tastes anyway, I find it difficult to muster enthusiasm for an old pipe like this if I know it has an "off" replacement stem (for example). I'm sort of a stickler for detail and the stem would be something of an eyesore. I think if I bought something like this it would have to factor in the cost of the eventual repair, so really I'd be paying for a stummel and the case.

I bring this up now because there's an ongoing auction for a similar pipe with a stem that very obviously doesn't match the pipe (i.e. not flush, not threaded) and the auction price is going significantly higher than I would have imagined. I wonder how many of the bidders realize it's not an original stem, and how many know and don't care or are planning to repair the pipe.

 

[ashdigger]

I enjoy collecting old Ben Wade pipes and I was observing this one below to see how high the auction would go:

Rare Cased 1902 BEN WADE Antique Block MEERSCHAUM & SILVER Estate Pipe Pipa 烟斗 | eBay

There is a shallow layer of carbon in the chamber. The maker's mark "BW " is again stamped on the silver ferrule above three hallmarks for England, Chester, 1902. Air flows through the pipe freely.

www.ebay.com

I think that, for my tastes anyway, I find it difficult to muster enthusiasm for an old pipe like this if I know it has an "off" replacement stem (for example). I'm sort of a stickler for detail and the stem would be something of an eyesore. I think if I bought something like this it would have to factor in the cost of the eventual repair, so really I'd be paying for a stummel and the case.

I bring this up now because there's an ongoing auction for a similar pipe with a stem that very obviously doesn't match the pipe (i.e. not flush, not threaded) and the auction price is going significantly higher than I would have imagined. I wonder how many of the bidders realize it's not an original stem, and how many know and don't care or are planning to repair the pipe.

Exactly. I have my eye on the current one, knowing full well a new stem has to be cut. There is also a Loewe, based on the year, I have zero interest in, that’s going to need a new stem.

But to your point, does everyone know about these things?