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Although adopted by the US military the CZ75 platform has two weights of trigger pull.

So does the Colt New Service revolver platform.

The overwhelming advantage of the Glock platform is if you had to train millions of Wehrmacht boys like Gaston Glock and the Red Army and American and British and French armies were overrunning your concentration camps and liberating all the nations you conquered and you were afraid of Nuremberg coming to you, then it’s simple to hand all the Gastons a Glock and say

Here’s how to load it

Point it at the Allies

And shoot until it runs dry

Reload and keep shooting
No it's true there are a few other legacy designs that are technically DA/SA... I have a S&W 5906 too, but I should have specified, I'm more talking about something with a decocker that's a reasonable concealed carry size. Add in a polymer frame and hammerless and you basically get the P99 or nothing lol. I just wish there were more reasonable concealed carry designs with that action and I don't see why more people don't understand its benefits... Don't mind me, basically just yelling at the wind lol
 

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No it's true there are a few other legacy designs that are technically DA/SA... I have a S&W 5906 too, but I should have specified, I'm more talking about something with a decocker that's a reasonable concealed carry size. Add in a polymer frame and hammerless and you basically get the P99 or nothing lol. I just wish there were more reasonable concealed carry designs with that action and I don't see why more people don't understand its benefits... Don't mind me, basically just yelling at the wind lol

Oh, a decocking CZ75 platform.

I’m retired, but young lawyers need the business.:)

See here Gaston? Flip that switch and pull the trigger to de cock the pistol. See?

 

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And they’ll go well with my No. 1
One of my favorite deer hunting stories I had a part in featured a Ruger No. 1. It was about 30 years ago.

My cousin had moved to another state, but came back to Michigan for the rifle season. Instead of flying with his own rifle, he borrowed his step dad’s 30-06 Ruger No. 1 (a beautiful rifle, BTW). That morning I took a nice buck, and my cousin filled his antlerless tag. I was content with my buck, so that afternoon I spent my time making a big dinner for the guys and having a beer or 3. My cousin was out back with his friend who had joined us, and who had a smoothbore shotgun as his weapon. They were together walking from one stand to another, when they saw a doe about 100 yards away on the edge of a thick stand of cedars. They both said it would have been an easy shot, but the friend didn’t want to chance the slugs at that distance (I don’t blame him), so he let that one go. They told me this story when they got back to the cabin after dark. Pointing at my cousin I said, “why didn’t you just use his rifle?” They both just looked at each other and the friend said softly “oh, shit.”
 
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So the old tight Scottish lawyer goes in a gun shop to buy a $400 Ruger Glock, but they were sold out.

So instead I bought a like new Taurus Glock 43 for $200 cash out the door plus two 12 round mags and a box of 9mm HP.

Taurus G2 C

The race to Glock bottom is well on the way.:)

And, I love a manual safety, and long trigger pull.

It’s a Glock type pistol. If I carry it I don’t want it to Sig on me and shoot my leg.:)
 
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Yes, Glocks are pre tensioned double action only striker actions, and taurus G2's are pre tensioned single action striker actions with a double action style "second strike" capability. No question they are different platforms. In my opinion, they feel like hot garbage in the trigger pull.
I specifically grew up and got a good job so that I didn't have to a: drink old overholts rye, b: smoke 4aces pipe tobacco, and c: shoot gritty, spongy triggers on plastic vending machine pistols.

EDIT: But to each their own, you know?
 

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Yes, Glocks are pre tensioned double action only striker actions, and taurus G2's are pre tensioned single action striker actions with a double action style "second strike" capability. No question they are different platforms. In my opinion, they feel like hot garbage in the trigger pull.
I specifically grew up and got a good job so that I didn't have to a: drink old overholts rye, b: smoke 4aces pipe tobacco, and c: shoot gritty, spongy triggers on plastic vending machine pistols.

EDIT: But to each their own, you know?
Yes, the trigger pull is nothing to write home about. My Glock serves only one purpose. It is an easy to shoot gun that will shoot each and every time I need it to shoot. My 1911s are fine and I use them for CCW as well - but only when I know that I will be somewhere and one; be actively alert at all times, and two; the condition level is low. If I am traveling somewhere with long hours, exhaustion will be part of the trip, etc, the Glock is what I carry. More simply put, if I am going to a fire fight, I am choosing my Glock. I'll add one caveat. I am not a fan of the Glock. I have one versus the many 1911s and revolvers. The Glock is my choice of carry almost 40% of the time.
 

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I need to go to the shooters club and try out my people shooter pistol!

Now for the back story

When I was a boy my father used to laugh at his father, and retell how Briggs would light a cigar and predict that this old world was moving so fast, the day would come when everybody, men and women both, would either have that 44 on them or where they could get to it really quick!

When my father got laughs over Brigg’s grave at Decoration Day, if there was one 44 in Polk County either Dr Robinson or maybe my father’s beautiful cousin Toots’ rich banker husband naval aviator Captain Chester Wainscott owned them. Ordinary people didn’t own real handguns, except maybe a .22.
Briggs died in 1952, and my Mammy in 1960.

And only scared old women kept a shotgun under their bed, sixty years ago.

As we drove through the shattered and destroyed towns of Preston, Hermitage, Wheatland, and Weaubleau my wife kept nagging me, you have to own a hundred guns and you tell me there’s not even one in your trunk?

I said if you’ll pull over up here at Collins there’s a gun shop in the old bank building, and I’ll buy a gun so you’ll feel safer. What kind of gun do you want? She said one like that one you bought me only more powerful, but with a safety!

And when we pulled in, she said would you please get us coffee at that gas station, and I said honey the sign reads $3.59, it closed at the start of the Great Recession, in the late oughts.

She said don’t leave me alone out here very long and don’t tell my friends I want a gun!

I walked in a gun shop where every gun without any exception was a people shooter, to try out a Ruger Glock, and they’d sold out. There was a sort of a pit bull looking dog behind the counter, very friendly.

And they had a row of plastic pistols with alloy steel slides and one had a tag of $200.

I looked at it, and it had a manual safety and extra long trigger pull. I saw it was a Taurus and took out two hundred dollar bills and said I’ll take it cash money out the door, if you’ll throw in a box of hollow points, and he asked for my driver’s liscence.

And I went back outside and looked towards Humansville and saw the boarded up buildings and the brand new marijuana grow farm and thought my Grandfather LeRoy Briggs, was truly a prophet.

I cleared the FBI check as I always do, and loaded my wife’s new gun with 12 rounds in each mag and one up the pipe, while she got us coffee at the sprawling travel stop across in sight of the ruins of the Cattleman Auction Company where I ran cattle in the back pens and shoveled cow shit as a boy.

I showed her how the safety worked, put the gun in the console, and we drove off to visit our 300 acre farm.

And I realized what Rank Stranger, was all about.



Where I grew up, is a very rough neighborhood today, you know?

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One of my favorite deep tracks, the B side of "Uncle Pen"

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What just kills my soul is all those old Appalachia ballads were about extreme poverty in the places my ancestors left behind when they moved to Missouri.


When I was a boy a few poor children took a sack lunch to Humansville schools and our cooks kept out unlimited peanut butter and jelly and loaves of bread and big cherry and apple cobblers on the lunch tables.

Today, every single little kid in Humansville gets a free breakfast, a free lunch, and the cooks pack home food in what is called a buddy pack.

There is no bank, no hospital, no feed store, no grocery stores, no businesses, but one gas station, one cafe open sometimes, a Dollar General, and a liquor store and beer joint. Sometimes there’s yellow tape until the building is removed to warn of the danger.

Meth addicts shuffle up and down the sidewalks.

No wonder, strangers want a nine.

A quality handgun today has never been cheaper and there’s never been more need for it.
 
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As a member of the old breed(a NJ resident with a pistol permit) I will give up my Colt 911 when I'm dead.

I own a Taurus PT1911 I bought for my youngest son about 15 years ago, and I’ve kept it so I can say I own a 1911.

I love revolvers, Colts and Smiths and Rugers.

What grieves me, is my grandfather predicted about 90 years ago everybody today would carry a deadly weapon, because they would be scared not to.

And when I opened my eyes and looked around the once peaceful and prosperous little towns I still saw the same way as fifty and sixty years ago, I don’t blame my wife for being scared of hillibillies.

At that same gun shop, I could have bought several Commander clones for $300 or so. That shop was the brand new Bank of Collins about fifty or so years ago.

And fifty years ago I’d never seen a live Pitt Bull, a Dollar General, a 30 pack of beer, or an airline size bottle of Fireball.

But any thought of a real Colt, a real Smith, or even a real Ruger center fire revolver shiny range toy is long, long gone.

My wife saw me almost in tears passing the ruins of what was a brand new sale barn complex in 1973 where I was so proud to work, now abandoned.

She asked where did it go?

I said too many good roads and good schools, for people to stay.


Humansville Missouri is the largest producer of marijuana in Missouri, if not the world.


At least the kids at the school have a new gym for ball games, from the taxes.

 
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Personally I'm really getting sick of all these glock clones myself. Sure, Glock is a legendary revolutionary firearm design. But the flooding of the market with every single company making every single pistol exactly the same except for some milling cuts is getting old fast.

Personally I'm a DA/SA guy (imho by far a superior action to DAO) and specifically a Walther guy.. and they're one of the most guilty. Their P99 was all the great parts of a glock but still a unique action and design (first with interchangeable backstraps etc). Now it's gone and all they make are more glock clones. Basically the only DA/SA's around anymore are Sig and Bersa both of which are all steel and hammer fired.

I just don't understand how many of essentially the same exact pistol with the same exact action and same exact functionality a person can feel they need but I feel like it's gotta reach saturation sooner or later.
Yep, I have many striker fired SAO, but much prefer DA/SA for edc.
I'm not going to list the CZ handguns I own, but I own at least one of every DA/SA they make....or have made.
But where I live and what I do, I almost exclusively carry a glock 20 in 10mm.
Ive only had to use a handgun 2x in my life. Once for a nosey black bear, and once for an angry moose.
Luckily I didn't need to shoot either of them, but I was ready to. I just gave them "warning" shots. I would never suggest warning shots for 2 legged bad guys, but for animals, a warning can work great......unless they are charging.....then light them up.
I also once almost had to defend against a 700 pound inland grizzly. But right after him and I were done playing tug of war with an Elk leg, he backed off. :)
 
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Could somebody please explain the difference between a Glock double action striker fired pistol and my Taurus G2C which has a single action striker fire with a reset. If mine doesn’t go bang, I can try again. Also I can dry fire my G2C.

The manual explains it better than I can.


My thought is, if the 4140 steel slide is milled to spec and the barrel is hammered forged to spec and all the other parts are molded or MIM to spec, there’s advantages to the G2C over the others

1. It’s cocked all the time. A long trigger pull is required to fire.

2. If you want a second strike, it’s available

3. Long trigger pulls give more chance to not make a pistol shoot unless you really want to shoot

4. Manual safety option

5. Dry fire option

Has Taurus improved the striker fired polymer framed pistol?

It might not have as silky a pull but that’s sort of the point in a pure defense weapon, you know?
 
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I took it apart and it seems simple and well designed.

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Colt or Smith hand polished quality is lacking, but it’s a 9mm bullet hose.

And I was surprised to discover manufacturering cost in Brazil is higher than the USA


An American manufacturer could make and sell G2’s for maybe $150.

There’s nearly no hand fitting, it’s one kid here versus one kid there watching machines make parts.
 
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I took it apart and it seems simple and well designed.

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Colt or Smith hand polished quality is lacking, but it’s a 9mm bullet hose.

And I was surprised to discover manufacturering cost in Brazil is higher than the USA


An American manufacturer could make and sell G2’s for maybe $150.

There’s nearly no hand fitting, it’s one kid here versus one kid there watching machines make parts.

This article has a pretty neat back story on an animation that explains the mechanics of a Glock very nicely:

 
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If you handed the ghost of John Moses Browning a blank sheet of paper and said design me a 44 Special hide out revolver he’d come back with a Charter Arms Bulldog.:)

It’s the Glock of 44 belly guns.:)

The only downside to the 44 Bulldog is all factory ammo will have to be made safe for a Bulldog forever.

The big upside is all gun shops have to carry a couple of boxes of 44s for a Bulldog.
I own a gun shop and can attest, 44 Special is alive and well.
We carry several brands from HP defensive loads and wad cutters, to cowboy loads that feel like a weak 38SP. :)
Charter Arms aren't what the used to be. We sell a few here and there, but for the price, you can get a Ruger GP100 or even a Taurus Tracker or Ultra weight. We have one of those for sale now.
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Could somebody please explain the difference between a Glock double action striker fired pistol and my Taurus G2C which has a single action striker fire with a reset. If mine doesn’t go bang, I can try again. Also I can dry fire my G2C.

The manual explains it better than I can.


My thought is, if the 4140 steel slide is milled to spec and the barrel is hammered forged to spec and all the other parts are molded or MIM to spec, there’s advantages to the G2C over the others

1. It’s cocked all the time. A long trigger pull is required to fire.

2. If you want a second strike, it’s available

3. Long trigger pulls give more chance to not make a pistol shoot unless you really want to shoot

4. Manual safety option

5. Dry fire option

Has Taurus improved the striker fired polymer framed pistol?

It might not have as silky a pull but that’s sort of the point in a pure defense weapon, you know?
Well, the G2C is a striker fired gun with a double action trigger with re-strike capabilities.
The glock is striker fired with a single action trigger.
Double action... the trigger both draws the striker and fires the gun with the re-strike.
Single action.....the trigger only fires the gun. You must rack the slide each time no matter what.
We sell tons of both, but more G3 and G4 than G2 these days.
Both are great guns, but the glocks do have less "out of the box" issues than Taurus.
We currently have G2s for just over $200. You can't beat that for a decent edc.
 
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Well, the G2C is a striker fired gun with a double action trigger with re-strike capabilities.
The glock is striker fired with a single action trigger.
Double action... the trigger both draws the striker and fires the gun with the re-strike.
Single action.....the trigger only fires the gun. You must rack the slide each time no matter what.
We sell tons of both, but more G3 and G4 than G2 these days.
Both are great guns, but the glocks do have less "out of the box" issues than Taurus.
We currently have G2s for just over $200. You can't beat that for a decent edc.
I read in the manual Taurus recommends a Condition Three carry (which if I was their lawyer I’d recommend too.:) )

Not for my wife. If she ever needs it, then she can wipe the safety.

I need to go out and have her burn up a few boxes of ammo to see how reliable it is.

My wife and all her girlfriends are up gunning to nines from 380s.

They insist on a safety. I’d want a safety too if I carried a purse with all that stuff in there.:)

The greatest tragedy in my life is that women today do not feel safe in Humansville Missouri without packing a gun.

But as a consolation, I can run into any Gunshop on honey do errand and buy a decent nine for two bills.:)
 

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Well, the G2C is a striker fired gun with a double action trigger with re-strike capabilities.
The glock is striker fired with a single action trigger.
Double action... the trigger both draws the striker and fires the gun with the re-strike.
Single action.....the trigger only fires the gun. You must rack the slide each time no matter what.
We sell tons of both, but more G3 and G4 than G2 these days.
Both are great guns, but the glocks do have less "out of the box" issues than Taurus.
We currently have G2s for just over $200. You can't beat that for a decent edc.
You might begin with explaining the problem with referring to a G2 as a Glock mil spec platform. I have both. They are different platforms. My dad likes to to refer to his G2 as a Glock copy. I gave up explaining the differences. I dropped my Glock off a boat in Lake Tahoe. It was covered in mud for well over a month before a diver was able to recover it. The Glock fired a bullet without me having to do anything to it - still covered in mud. Yeh, I wasn't sure it was the safest test of a weapon, but you know what, for a gun that was submerged under 200 feet of water for a month, it certainly demonstrated the reliability of the design. More to the point, once cleaned, one would NEVER know it had suffered such a serious injustice of carelessness. I am not confident that my G2 could have pulled that one off. Also, the accuracy was never impacted. The G2 is a wonderful weapon for what it is. But in an End of Days scenario, I'll take my Glock.
 
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