Glocks are as Generic as a 1911

[Briar Lee]

You might begin with explaining the problem with referring to a G2 as a Glock mil spec platform. I have both. They are different platforms. My dad likes to to refer to his G2 as a Glock copy. I gave up explaining the differences. I dropped my Glock off a boat in Lake Tahoe. It was covered in mud for well over a month before a diver was able to recover it. The Glock fired a bullet without me having to do anything to it - still covered in mud. Yeh, I wasn't sure it was the safest test of a weapon, but you know what, for a gun that was submerged under 200 feet of water for a month, it certainly demonstrated the reliability of the design. More to the point, once cleaned, one would NEVER know it had suffered such a serious injustice of carelessness. I am not confident that my G2 could have pulled that one off. Also, the accuracy was never impacted. The G2 is a wonderful weapon for what it is. But in an End of Days scenario, I'll take my Glock.

My wife would have skinned me if I’d bought her any pistol without an external safety.

I can remember my old grandmother liking a single barrel hammer shotgun, because she had to cock it, and my mother liking the safety on my father’s Sweet 16.

A man may give you a warning, but a woman will put you six feet under once she decides you deserve killing.

But since they see their gun as a deadly weapon only, not a plaything, their nightmare is a child might find it, or they might mess up and shoot before they decide you must die.


Women are more sensible about gun safety than men, it seems:

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Keel admitted to leaving a "fully loaded and very accessible" handgun on a table in his living room and told police he had been up late playing video games and went to bed early in the morning, court documents said. He said he was so tired that he didn't hear the gunshot, according to past KOMU 8 reporting.

Eldon man sentenced for leaving out loaded gun, resulting in child's shooting death

An Eldon man has been sentenced for leaving a loaded gun in reach of a child who accidentally shot and killed themself with the firearm.

www.komu.com

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But imagine the mother that left her child unattended around a man.

 

[Jacob74]

It can definitely get a little hazy definitions wise. especially if you are always conceptualizing double action/single action in the paradigm of revolvers and hammers.

Single action is easy to come to grips with. All the trigger pull does on a single action trigger is release the already cocked hammer or striker to impact the primer.

Double action involves the trigger pull performing another function, such as cocking a hammer, or cocking a striker (or in the case of a Glock hybrid action, completing the cocking of a pre tensioned striker) and then releasing the cocked hammer or striker to impact the primer. Glock mechanisms are technically always double action in that the trigger pull finalizes the striker cocking action, and then releases the striker, even though the action of manually cycling a round, or of the pistol firing a round pre tensions the striker most of the way.

Why is the Taurus G2c considered a single action pistol with a second strike capability and not just a da/sa pistol like a Beretta 92?
Well, in a da/sa pistol like a cz 75 or a Beretta 92, the pistol can be used in da or sa mode interchangeably as the operator desires. One can carry loaded and unsafe after racking the action and decocking, with the long double action pull as the safety (like a revolver), fire a round double action placing the weapon into single action mode, fire rounds in single action, decock with the decocker mechanism and go back to double action on every round if they wish.

With a taurus G2c, one must prepare the pistol to fire by racking the action, which places the pistol into single action mode. Only if there is a misfire can one then use the double action trigger to cock the striker and release the striker for a restrike. Without the decocker, it's *almost* a da/sa striker fired pistol.

 

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My wife would have skinned me if I’d bought her any pistol without an external safety.

I can remember my old grandmother liking a single barrel hammer shotgun, because she had to cock it, and my mother liking the safety on my father’s Sweet 16.

A man may give you a warning, but a woman will put you six feet under once she decides you deserve killing.

But since they see their gun as a deadly weapon only, not a plaything, their nightmare is a child might find it, or they might mess up and shoot before they decide you must die.


Women are more sensible about gun safety than men, it seems:

—-

Keel admitted to leaving a "fully loaded and very accessible" handgun on a table in his living room and told police he had been up late playing video games and went to bed early in the morning, court documents said. He said he was so tired that he didn't hear the gunshot, according to past KOMU 8 reporting.

Eldon man sentenced for leaving out loaded gun, resulting in child's shooting death

An Eldon man has been sentenced for leaving a loaded gun in reach of a child who accidentally shot and killed themself with the firearm.

www.komu.com

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But imagine the mother that left her child unattended around a man.

Or you replying to my post?

Or are you engaged in a monologue of your own. If so, please don't use the reply button.

It's confusing not just for me, but for other readers who think you might actually be replying to a specific post.

Monologues are great. Just do others the favor of not using the reply button. It feigns interest in with others have contributed.

Right?

 

[Briar Lee]

Or you replying to my post?

Or are you engaged in a monologue of your own. If so, please don't use the reply button.

It's confusing not just for me, but for other readers who think you might actually be replying to a specific post.

Monologues are great. Just do others the favor of not using the reply button. It feigns interest in with others have contributed.

Right?

Forgive me for my ramble.


The point was a woman would not be likely to lose her pistol overboard in boat.

They don’t see a pistol as a fishing accessory.

I know the prosecutor and the defense lawyer and the judge in the Albert Keel case.

Missouri has the most lax gun laws of any state in the Union, I know of. No safe storage laws, no requirements for retention, it’s the Wild, Wild West.

Imagine the results if a child out swimming found a fully loaded Glock.

Your father calls a G2 a Glock because it’s as much a Glock as a Blackhawk is a Peacemaker with one huge difference-

What we gun lovers see as cool guns, the world sees as the deadly people killers a Glock type pistol is.

After the Keel case, it’s my opinion that if a child in Missouri kills himself with your black plastic blaster, it’s ten years to life.

What we gun lovers will not see, is that a fully loaded Glock is going to kill any body that gets ahold of it.

Which is why women won’t buy one without a safety.

By the way, I would never have filed the Keel case.

But Matt Howard did.

 

[Briar Lee]

It can definitely get a little hazy definitions wise. especially if you are always conceptualizing double action/single action in the paradigm of revolvers and hammers.

Single action is easy to come to grips with. All the trigger pull does on a single action trigger is release the already cocked hammer or striker to impact the primer.

Double action involves the trigger pull performing another function, such as cocking a hammer, or cocking a striker (or in the case of a Glock hybrid action, completing the cocking of a pre tensioned striker) and then releasing the cocked hammer or striker to impact the primer. Glock mechanisms are technically always double action in that the trigger pull finalizes the striker cocking action, and then releases the striker, even though the action of manually cycling a round, or of the pistol firing a round pre tensions the striker most of the way.

Why is the Taurus G2c considered a single action pistol with a second strike capability and not just a da/sa pistol like a Beretta 92?
Well, in a da/sa pistol like a cz 75 or a Beretta 92, the pistol can be used in da or sa mode interchangeably as the operator desires. One can carry loaded and unsafe after racking the action and decocking, with the long double action pull as the safety (like a revolver), fire a round double action placing the weapon into single action mode, fire rounds in single action, decock with the decocker mechanism and go back to double action on every round if they wish.

With a taurus G2c, one must prepare the pistol to fire by racking the action, which places the pistol into single action mode. Only if there is a misfire can one then use the double action trigger to cock the striker and release the striker for a restrike. Without the decocker, it's *almost* a da/sa striker fired pistol.

I’m playing with my G2 and thanks to your post I can see the difference now.

My son owns a Glock 17 and the big 10mm Glock, and except for how the striker gets dropped and the safety it’s the same gadget.

I have another question.

The slide and barrel, maybe the striker, are made of good chrome moly steel.

But how are these rat trap looking metal parts made that look like refugees from an 870 or 1100 trigger group? Are those stamped? How do they last?



And another question.

Telescopes and I have Orient watches where the bulk of the movement is assembled by robots and that’s good! Robots make fewer errors.

Are these new style pistols assembled by machines too?

If they retail for $200 they’d better not have more than $50 or so dollars cost to manufacture.

 

[Jacob74]

I am not a gunsmith, but to my understanding those "rat trap" parts are constructed by metal injection molding, where metal powder and binder is injected into a mold and then heated until it is all solid. That allows for very complex parts to be created without (much) machining, vastly reducing the cost and complexity of the fabrication process.
Any folks with engineering or gunsmithing backgrounds, please jump in on this!
We still need the main impact, friction, and stress bearing components to be more durable, so for those components, forged pieces are the better choice.
Regarding the automation of the industrial processes, if the parts assembly process in any modern plant isn't fully automated already, it's almost certainly partially automated now with some limited hand fitting or polishing, and will be increasingly automated over the next decade or so. Smaller scale more boutique firearms manufacturers will use a higher level of hand fitting and polishing....but you'll pay them handsomely for it!

 

[Briar Lee]

I am not a gunsmith, but to my understanding those "rat trap" parts are constructed by metal injection molding, where metal powder and binder is injected into a mold and then heated until it is all solid. That allows for very complex parts to be created without (much) machining, vastly reducing the cost and complexity of the fabrication process.
Any folks with engineering or gunsmithing backgrounds, please jump in on this!
We still need the main impact, friction, and stress bearing components to be more durable, so for those components, forged pieces are the better choice.
Regarding the automation of the industrial processes, if the parts assembly process in any modern plant isn't fully automated already, it's almost certainly partially automated now with some limited hand fitting or polishing, and will be increasingly automated over the next decade or so. Smaller scale more boutique firearms manufacturers will use a higher level of hand fitting and polishing....but you'll pay them handsomely for it!

Thanks for that answer. Looking further my G2 is put together by what look like roll pins to me, and those “stamped” parts have little lines where they were somehow cast.

And there’s a rail under the barrel where I see you can hand lights and lasers on it, and the factory sights are windage and elevation adjustable, and new tritium or fiber optic sights are available. Even the magazines are steel, and they have 17 round extension mags. There are 10 round mags for do gooder locations that require those.

Right now today, Glock has the same prestige as Colt used to have for making Peacemakers and 1911s, but how did that turn out for Colt?


I wonder if they set a Glock making machine in the Philippines or Vietnam or India if there might not be $100 Glocks.

There still has to be quality control, but where in the world a plastic framed striker pistol is made makes no difference. Machines do almost all the work.

 

[Jacob74]

Thanks for that answer. Looking further my G2 is put together by what look like roll pins to me, and those “stamped” parts have little lines where they were somehow cast.

And there’s a rail under the barrel where I see you can hand lights and lasers on it, and the factory sights are windage and elevation adjustable, and new tritium or fiber optic sights are available. Even the magazines are steel, and they have 17 round extension mags. There are 10 round mags for do gooder locations that require those.

Right now today, Glock has the same prestige as Colt used to have for making Peacemakers and 1911s, but how did that turn out for Colt?


I wonder if they set a Glock making machine in the Philippines or Vietnam or India if there might not be $100 Glocks.

There still has to be quality control, but where in the world a plastic framed striker pistol is made makes no difference. Machines do almost all the work.

Competition is good for the consumer! I have some premium quality guns that I've paid handsomely for, and I have some Turkish low cost firearms that represent outstanding value. Does my super sweet, slick, handsome, ultra reliable gucci Italian stallion make bad guys any deader than the Turkish budget pew pew? Not at all. Myself, I don't really care where the thing was made, I care how it runs, and how it feels. If I can save a few bills on the side, well, happy wife, happy life!

 

[Briar Lee]

Competition is good for the consumer! I have some premium quality guns that I've paid handsomely for, and I have some Turkish low cost firearms that represent outstanding value. Does my super sweet, slick, handsome, ultra reliable gucci Italian stallion make bad guys any deader than the Turkish budget pew pew? Not at all. Myself, I don't really care where the thing was made, I care how it runs, and how it feels. If I can save a few bills on the side, well, happy wife, happy life!

Another question.

Pre Glock take over of the police market, our jail and lots of others required a magazine discontent to bring a pistol in the jail.

I noticed my G2 doesn’t seem to have a magazine disconnect.

Why not?

There was a safety factor in that.

 

[Sig]

You might begin with explaining the problem with referring to a G2 as a Glock mil spec platform. I have both. They are different platforms. My dad likes to to refer to his G2 as a Glock copy. I gave up explaining the differences. I dropped my Glock off a boat in Lake Tahoe. It was covered in mud for well over a month before a diver was able to recover it. The Glock fired a bullet without me having to do anything to it - still covered in mud. Yeh, I wasn't sure it was the safest test of a weapon, but you know what, for a gun that was submerged under 200 feet of water for a month, it certainly demonstrated the reliability of the design. More to the point, once cleaned, one would NEVER know it had suffered such a serious injustice of carelessness. I am not confident that my G2 could have pulled that one off. Also, the accuracy was never impacted. The G2 is a wonderful weapon for what it is. But in an End of Days scenario, I'll take my Glock.

Absolutely.
The Taurus has more moving parts that need to work together to operate. The glock is a more simple mechanism. There are endless videos on youtube showing the reliability of glocks.
Glocks are the AK of handguns. Due to a bit looser tolerances, they can take the abuse of mud, dirt and rust, and still operate. The Taurus is more like a 1911 in that the tighter tolerances don't allow much friction from dirt and such.
Even just carbon build up from firing can cause the Taurus to malfunction.
There was a very popular video series done by a YouTuber years ago...I don't remember his name....but he fired 30,000 rounds through a glock 17 without even wiping it down, let alone cleaning it. He went through 2 recoil springs, but it just kept going.
In 2021, during the start of the Canik craze, I bought a Canik TP9SFX to "review". Over a year a we fired 12,000 rounds through it without cleaning it and not replacing anything. Just shy of 12,000 rounds it began FTE....then a couple FTF. I cleaned it up, put in a new spring, and it worked like new. The only thing affected was the feed ramp was a bit marred. But that's normal after 12, 000 rounds.

 

[Sig]

Forgive me for my ramble.


The point was a woman would not be likely to lose her pistol overboard in boat.

They don’t see a pistol as a fishing accessory.

I know the prosecutor and the defense lawyer and the judge in the Albert Keel case.

Missouri has the most lax gun laws of any state in the Union, I know of. No safe storage laws, no requirements for retention, it’s the Wild, Wild West.

Imagine the results if a child out swimming found a fully loaded Glock.

Your father calls a G2 a Glock because it’s as much a Glock as a Blackhawk is a Peacemaker with one huge difference-

What we gun lovers see as cool guns, the world sees as the deadly people killers a Glock type pistol is.

After the Keel case, it’s my opinion that if a child in Missouri kills himself with your black plastic blaster, it’s ten years to life.

What we gun lovers will not see, is that a fully loaded Glock is going to kill any body that gets ahold of it.

Which is why women won’t buy one without a safety.

By the way, I would never have filed the Keel case.

But Matt Howard did.

Wow, so much here.
Glocks are no more dangerous than any other handgun. There is just another MOA to learn.
Leaving ANY loaded gun alone with a child is a bad idea. Children tend to fiddle, that thumb safety isn't a fail safe. It's like leaving a kid in a running car where they drive through a wall. Is it the cars fault? Does it matter if the car was automatic or manual?
If you look at how many glocks are out there, then look at negligent discharges, you'll see that glocks are not over represented in those stats.
For over 20 years I've been involved in hundreds of firearm related court cases in 4 states as a "qualified" firearms expert. In MY experience the most often used firearms in child related incidents are daddy's shotgun he has stored loaded in the closet with the manual safety ON. Or the home defense handgun in the drawer or elsewhere. Some have an external safety that was engaged, some either had no external safety or it wasn't engaged.
I believe the more important factor is WHOS kids this happens to.
Again, in MY experience, rural kids are less likely to have a negligent discharge than "city" kids. And the big one.....5 of the last 6 cases I've seen, the parents/guardians were NOT "legal" gun owners. Meaning that for whatever reason, the owner of the firearm was a prohibited person.
But these are not the number one offenders of a negligent discharge. That award goes to qualified professionals.....cops, firearm instructors, competitive shooters and the like.
In MY experience it's the complacency of routine gun handling where the NGs happen.
As far as the kids, this isn't even a training issue, it's a common sense issue. Very few of the parents I've dealt with on this topic had very good common sense.....both with firearms, or their lives......in my opinion.
I once heard a very dumb "statistic" by a prosecutor. She said, "you are 90% more likely to have an "accidental" gun death in your home if you own a gun".
I thought, yep, and if you have stairs in your home, you're much more likely to fall down the stairs in your home than if you don't have stairs.

 

[MortarMessiah]

You might begin with explaining the problem with referring to a G2 as a Glock mil spec platform. I have both. They are different platforms. My dad likes to to refer to his G2 as a Glock copy. I gave up explaining the differences. I dropped my Glock off a boat in Lake Tahoe. It was covered in mud for well over a month before a diver was able to recover it. The Glock fired a bullet without me having to do anything to it - still covered in mud. Yeh, I wasn't sure it was the safest test of a weapon, but you know what, for a gun that was submerged under 200 feet of water for a month, it certainly demonstrated the reliability of the design. More to the point, once cleaned, one would NEVER know it had suffered such a serious injustice of carelessness. I am not confident that my G2 could have pulled that one off. Also, the accuracy was never impacted. The G2 is a wonderful weapon for what it is. But in an End of Days scenario, I'll take my Glock.

The Glock is a Mans tool. It ain't pretty, but it's for taking care of business. im like you, I enjoy other firearms but in the end, it's always Glock I trust.

 

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Forgive me for my ramble.


The point was a woman would not be likely to lose her pistol overboard in boat.

They don’t see a pistol as a fishing accessory.

I know the prosecutor and the defense lawyer and the judge in the Albert Keel case.

Missouri has the most lax gun laws of any state in the Union, I know of. No safe storage laws, no requirements for retention, it’s the Wild, Wild West.

Imagine the results if a child out swimming found a fully loaded Glock.

Your father calls a G2 a Glock because it’s as much a Glock as a Blackhawk is a Peacemaker with one huge difference-

What we gun lovers see as cool guns, the world sees as the deadly people killers a Glock type pistol is.

After the Keel case, it’s my opinion that if a child in Missouri kills himself with your black plastic blaster, it’s ten years to life.

What we gun lovers will not see, is that a fully loaded Glock is going to kill any body that gets ahold of it.

Which is why women won’t buy one without a safety.

By the way, I would never have filed the Keel case.

But Matt Howard did.

Are you suggesting my wife is not a woman?

She carries a revolver, no safety, point and click. She also uses my Glock.

She is not alone. Many of the women in her shooting group carry Glocks.

I am confused by the need to make broad statements as if they could be narrowly interpreted.

Any loaded gun in the hands of a child inexperienced with the weapon is primed to go off, safety or no safety.

Your concern seems to be about going to jail. That seems rather secondary to what should be the primary concern, a child is dead because the parent, one, failed to properly educate the child, and two, left a loaded weapon out as a curiosity.

 

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Wow, so much here.
Glocks are no more dangerous than any other handgun. There is just another MOA to learn.
Leaving ANY loaded gun alone with a child is a bad idea. Children tend to fiddle, that thumb safety isn't a fail safe. It's like leaving a kid in a running car where they drive through a wall. Is it the cars fault? Does it matter if the car was automatic or manual?
If you look at how many glocks are out there, then look at negligent discharges, you'll see that glocks are not over represented in those stats.
For over 20 years I've been involved in hundreds of firearm related court cases in 4 states as a "qualified" firearms expert. In MY experience the most often used firearms in child related incidents are daddy's shotgun he has stored loaded in the closet with the manual safety ON. Or the home defense handgun in the drawer or elsewhere. Some have an external safety that was engaged, some either had no external safety or it wasn't engaged.
I believe the more important factor is WHOS kids this happens to.
Again, in MY experience, rural kids are less likely to have a negligent discharge than "city" kids. And the big one.....5 of the last 6 cases I've seen, the parents/guardians were NOT "legal" gun owners. Meaning that for whatever reason, the owner of the firearm was a prohibited person.
But these are not the number one offenders of a negligent discharge. That award goes to qualified professionals.....cops, firearm instructors, competitive shooters and the like.
In MY experience it's the complacency of routine gun handling where the NGs happen.
As far as the kids, this isn't even a training issue, it's a common sense issue. Very few of the parents I've dealt with on this topic had very good common sense.....both with firearms, or their lives......in my opinion.
I once heard a very dumb "statistic" by a prosecutor. She said, "you are 90% more likely to have an "accidental" gun death in your home if you own a gun".
I thought, yep, and if you have stairs in your home, you're much more likely to fall down the stairs in your home than if you don't have stairs.

I appreciate the to-the-point approach. I couldn't agree more. I did have to laugh at the absurd statistic of the prosecutor. Things like that make me laugh all the time. The statistic doesn't even make sense.

 

[Briar Lee]

Wow, so much here.
Glocks are no more dangerous than any other handgun. There is just another MOA to learn.
Leaving ANY loaded gun alone with a child is a bad idea. Children tend to fiddle, that thumb safety isn't a fail safe. It's like leaving a kid in a running car where they drive through a wall. Is it the cars fault? Does it matter if the car was automatic or manual?
If you look at how many glocks are out there, then look at negligent discharges, you'll see that glocks are not over represented in those stats.
For over 20 years I've been involved in hundreds of firearm related court cases in 4 states as a "qualified" firearms expert. In MY experience the most often used firearms in child related incidents are daddy's shotgun he has stored loaded in the closet with the manual safety ON. Or the home defense handgun in the drawer or elsewhere. Some have an external safety that was engaged, some either had no external safety or it wasn't engaged.
I believe the more important factor is WHOS kids this happens to.
Again, in MY experience, rural kids are less likely to have a negligent discharge than "city" kids. And the big one.....5 of the last 6 cases I've seen, the parents/guardians were NOT "legal" gun owners. Meaning that for whatever reason, the owner of the firearm was a prohibited person.
But these are not the number one offenders of a negligent discharge. That award goes to qualified professionals.....cops, firearm instructors, competitive shooters and the like.
In MY experience it's the complacency of routine gun handling where the NGs happen.
As far as the kids, this isn't even a training issue, it's a common sense issue. Very few of the parents I've dealt with on this topic had very good common sense.....both with firearms, or their lives......in my opinion.
I once heard a very dumb "statistic" by a prosecutor. She said, "you are 90% more likely to have an "accidental" gun death in your home if you own a gun".
I thought, yep, and if you have stairs in your home, you're much more likely to fall down the stairs in your home than if you don't have stairs.

My jaw dropped to the floor when wife read me the Albert Keel case.

The prosecutor Matt Howard is an old guy about my age and prosecutors used to have an unwritten rule to never compound a tragedy by putting people in jail who did nothing mean.

And I know the defense lawyer. The gun ownership rate in Miller county is off the charts, why would you plead a guy open when a jury might well let him walk. These things in Miller county are usually “God’s will be done.”


Reading further, it’s because he faced 10-30 or life in a child endangerment case.

I’m glad I’m retired.

This is horrible. A young guy is going to do ten years with a child endangerment jacket and if he lives it’s doubtful.

For playing video games and leaving his Glock type pistol on a table.

The kid was six, not three. You’d think he’d not shoot himself.

How do we know it’s a loaded Glock? Because if there’d been an engaged safety I don’t think the judge wouldn’t have taken the plea.

The first Glock I ever saw, I said Geezeus there’s no safety, and my Highway Patrolmen friend laughed and showed me the dongle.

A Glock was designed by a Nazi soldier as a military weapon and for that role its excellent.

Gun accidents are so rare today, the press treats them like the death of a Pope or an airliner crash.

You do a valuable service as a firearms expert but I never dreamed you’d be needed in Miller County Missouri.

If Missouri ever gets a safe storage law, it won’t be a Class A violent felony.

 

[Briar Lee]

Are you suggesting my wife is not a woman?

She carries a revolver, no safety, point and click. She also uses my Glock.

She is not alone. Many of the women in her shooting group carry Glocks.

I am confused by the need to make broad statements as if they could be narrowly interpreted.

Any loaded gun in the hands of a child inexperienced with the weapon is primed to go off, safety or no safety.

Your concern seems to be about going to jail. That seems rather secondary to what should be the primary concern, a child is dead because the parent, one, failed to properly educate the child, and two, left a loaded weapon out as a curiosity.

Wives are all different.

My wife and all her friends are hypocrites!

Guns for me, but not for thee sort of hypocrites.

Why they pack guns in their purses is because downtown Collins looks like The Hood did when I was in law school.

When I asked my wife if she’d send one of her girlfriends to prison for ten years if a kid took a gun out of her purse, she just replied all my friend’s guns have safeties.

Taurus is wise to have that on and off switch.

And I’m surprised there’s no mag disconnect.

Taurus does make a 10 round model, but how can they sell G2s in states like California?

Design Safety Standards

Universal background checks save lives from gun violence.

giffords.org

 

[Sig]

I appreciate the to-the-point approach. I couldn't agree more. I did have to laugh at the absurd statistic of the prosecutor. Things like that make me laugh all the time. The statistic doesn't even make sense.

The things I've heard in deposition(or opinions before that) would make your blood boil. Many lawyers will say or do ANYTHING, including finding the most anti gun groups to gather their information.
The one I hear most often......
"If you have a gun, it means you plan on using it." The connotation is that you will use it for unlawful purposes.
Being in the "business" and running classes for decades, I know this couldn't be more false....obviously.
I know the majority of gun owners haven't fired a gun in years. That sounds odd, but it's true. Many haven't even seen their gun in years.
Which is another issue all together, and why 2x a year we run an "almost" free class for gun owners who are not gun people. But that's another story.

 

[MortarMessiah]

In a gun safety class in Cincinnati I attended long ago played us a dash cam video from a police officer doing a traffic stop on the highway. A fire fight ends up taking place between the Cop and the driver. The Cop tries to fire but nothing happens. You can hear him yelling shoot shoot shoot. But nothing is happening. The problem...... His weapon is on safe, and his brain is stressed in this adrenaline maxed situation. The police officer ended up getting killed sadly. My point to all of this is, you can train and train and train but when the moment comes your mind is racing and we don't always perform to how we train. If the Cop would have been carrying a Glock or firearm without a safety, he'd likely still be alive. I carry a Sig P365 quite a bit and it has a safety, and they make ones without it, it drives me nuts mine has a safety. So I train with it of coarse, but I much prefer carrying a Glock. I wish the Glock 43 could hold 10+1. Or I wish the G26 could fit in my pocket.

 

[Sig]

Wives are all different.

My wife and all her friends are hypocrites!

Guns for me, but not for thee sort of hypocrites.

Why they pack guns in their purses is because downtown Collins looks like The Hood did when I was in law school.

When I asked my wife if she’d send one of her girlfriends to prison for ten years if a kid took a gun out of her purse, she just replied all my friend’s guns have safeties.

Taurus is wise to have that on and off switch.

First thing I tell women at our classes...if you are not going to carry "on body", you really need to rethink that, or at least take a short "off body" class. I offer a huge discount if they agree.
There are great ways for women to carry "on body", even in tight woman's cloths.
Philster Enigma holster or a GOOD body band just for starts, there are more options.
I'm not gonna brag, but I would have torn the prosecutor in that case a new butt hole and proved that a glock is not more dangerous than any other striker fired handgun. Statistics don't lie.
And, glocks do have THREE safeties (drop safety, firing pin safety, trigger safety).
If all gun safety rules are followed, a glock WILL NOT hurt anyone. Leaving the firearm within reach of a child is not a gun issue and any good lawyer would have the "glocks are more dangerous" thing thrown out long before trial.

 

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The things I've heard in deposition(or opinions before that) would make your blood boil. Many lawyers will say or do ANYTHING, including finding the most anti gun groups to gather their information.
The one I hear most often......
"If you have a gun, it means you plan on using it." The connotation is that you will use it for unlawful purposes.
Being in the "business" and running classes for decades, I know this couldn't be more false....obviously.
I know the majority of gun owners haven't fired a gun in years. That sounds odd, but it's true. Many haven't even seen their gun in years.
Which is another issue all together, and why 2x a year we run an "almost" free class for gun owners who are not gun people. But that's another story.

I share the sentiment. I grew up with a culture of guns in the home as well as a tradition of hunting. Not one gun that I either bought or built was purchased or made to "protect myself" from people nor have I specifically thought about shooting a person.

No, the gun was purchased either as a hunting tool or something to use at the target range. I have a CCW - and I do carry from time to time - but the CCW was mostly obtained to keep me legal when I going to the range or I do choose to carry when traveling.

I had one negligent discharge in over a half century of using guns. I had cleaned my Glock and as I always do, I did a safety check. Well, in California, a few of my pistols have the feature where you have to put the magazine in to discharge the trigger. So, without thinking about it, I put the magazine in, racked the slide, pointed the pistol toward my brick wall and pulled the trigger. Bang. I had failed to unload the last magazine. Needless to say I was not happy, but, I was glad to see that years of practiced had meant that the pistol was pointed in the most safe direction. Lesson learned. I was mad at myself - and still am, for going through the motions so routinely that I failed to see the loaded magazine during the safety check.