Read back through this thread and I think you will find plenty of virulence on both side of the proverbial table.
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Southerners with a strong connection to the English seem to like very bland vegetables and meats. They use no seasoning at all. Even in friend foods. It's very odd to me. I mean, I could probably get used to it, but it lacks a certain passion, IMO.
When I worked in Euston (London) my boss was (and she still is) vegetarian so if we had a team lunch we went round the corner to a wonderful place called Ghandi's which was Indian, vegetarian and had an absolutely fantastic lunchtime buffet.
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If the thread was titled Non-dairy Cheese it wouldn't have turned into this pissing match which is mostly a bunch of defensive and insecure dudes who feel threatened by other people's lifestyles. They're the evangelicals in this room.
You realize without feed lots and industrial farming starvation would go through the roof.
Covid caused a blip in a fragile agronomy market. The specter of starvation is real for a wide swath that can’t afford Michelin restaurants, let alone their tires.
There are few places outside of India itself with Indian cuisine to rival that of London. IIRC Gordon Ramsay mentioned that there were something like 60 Indian restaurants in the London area. One of a which (which was vegetarian) was a finalist for some kind of Best Restaurant in London show he made.
That is correct.
However if those feed lots and industrial farms were replaced with vegetables, starvation would be dramatically reduced. As would our impact on the climate.
A tall, and likely unattainable order, to be sure. But it remains true.
You've never seen people throwing red paint on people in the streets for wearing leather or fur. You've obviously never seen vegans take over a whole section of a grocery store to protest meat.
We can't argue politics nor religion, so this is just one area allowed, where we can argue, banter, and build some comradery over a split issue. Vegans are just an easier target, because they'll make themselves known, and it is obviously a decision, so it's not like we are making fun of something someone can't help.
Hmmm, you are obviously a farmer and rancher to make such a stupid declaration.
As the one willing to do (and having done) the research on the subject, I have to disagree.
Most of the information I've gathered on the subject has come directly from farmers. Real ones that is, not corporate food factories.
Also, have I called anything you've said stupid? Is that really necessary?
I blame my dad; he spent WWII in India and SE Asia; was in Japan immediately after the surrender and also spent a lot of time in West and North Africa and the Middle East. Even as a child of the 1960s (generally not remembered as a time when there was any 'interesting' food in the UK) I was brought up on exotic foods, fruit and vegetables (helped being in the RAF there was usually a way of getting things flown in...).
He was also a very good cook and picked up a lot of recipes whilst he was ostensibly keeping aeroplanes flying during the war. Nope, can't do bland food!
There are fur protestors here all the time protesting trapping. As well as people protesting sustainable harvesting of animals.
I'm not in any way defending radical tactics. Quite the opposite, in fact. I think civil and erudite discussion is far more valuable. I was simply pointing out that the topic often elicits a strong and opinionated reaction from people on both sides, which, as evidenced in this thread, is clearly the case.
When will it be my turn to be a moderator in the forum? I'm eager to
sanction you......................Oh, yes, baby..................?
sanction you......................Oh, yes, baby..................?60? That's a very low estimate. There's probably that number in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets alone! I think he's out by at least a factor of 10 or 20!
edit: I suppose he might have been referring to Central London (i.e. Westminster and the City of London).
I guess veganism should be made against the rules, because it brings out an absurdity in members that I'd just rather not know about.
As a farmer, I just get pretty sick and tired of getting bantered about by people who do nothing close to what we do. I'll stand by a farmer and a rancher any day. It's easy to set in a chair and much on your vegan pizzas and make asinine remarks based on some conceptual notion of what farming or ranching is. Hell, half the country is so stupid that they think farmers are trying to keel them.
As a farmer, I just get pretty sick and tired of getting bantered about by people who do nothing close to what we do. I'll stand by a farmer and a rancher any day. It's easy to set in a chair and much on your vegan pizzas and make asinine remarks based on some conceptual notion of what farming or ranching is. Hell, half the country is so stupid that they think farmers are trying to keel them.
LOL, there's 60 Indian restaurants in Edmonton. There's probably 600 in London.
Yeah, I don't know what he meant by "London" or what he meant by "Restuarant"
Being a Londoner and Restaurateur I'm sure he has very specific definitions of both.
I was just saying there's a lot, which obviously you agree with, haha.
It's funny how we like to point out how skinny and unhealthy Vegans are. They probably sit around thinking about how bloated, fat, and unhealthy we are.
That is certainly understandable. I don't think anyone here is saying that farming/ranching is not hard work, or that many farmers don't have the world's best interest in mind.
But as I'm sure you are aware, there are many different kinds of farmers. Some methods I believe are better than others when it comes to human health, the treatment of animals, and the impact on the climate.
And I'll pass on the vegan pizza, thanks. ?
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