Update on the STG Closure Of Sutliff and Mac Baren

[PaulTheScandinavian]

It's nigh enough to prepare for it now, if having tobacco is important to you.

The selection will decrease more and more, and the quality of what's left will be less and less. That's due to less demand.

The price is going to shoot through the roof at some point... Further decreasing demand.

There's an issue with the whole RYO/pipe tobacco situation. The governments, and many people on this forum, use emotion to try and separate the two... But truly they are the same animal.

This realization will cause a huge increase in the way pipe tobacco is taxed. There is practically nobody working for pipe smokers in D.C., there are people protecting cigars... For now. Pipe Tobacco has been catching that drift for a long time... That will end over this RYO problem, and the taxes will increase.

I saw Carlito Fuente, the guy from Arturo Fuente cigars, in an interview running down cigarettes with everything he had. They know the key to survival is to be separated from "those nasty cigarettes" as far as possible.

Pipe tobacco in Santa Claus' pipe causes warm and happy emotions in people. Pipe tobacco in an ex concvict's home-made cigarette is highly offensive and makes people upset.

The GH lady said that they want repeat customers and don't benefit as much from people building a cellar... She says they need people who buy regularly. She says a lot, I know. But most of the real... Sorry to possibly offend some people, but the real pipe smokers will soon all be dead from old age. This stuff here, of people buying 20 pounds of tobacco and posting pictures of it, while they smoke 3 bowls a month, and then moving on to collect fancy fountain pens, ain't going to keep the pipe tobacco demand alive. IMHO

What happens after all this plays out...

Check out Austraila, thousand dollar pounds of tobacco. Look at Canada, fifty dollar pouches of chewing tobacco. They only have the variety they have because of the rest of the world's demand.

My guess is that in 20 years there will be pipe tobacco still in production... But it will be very expensive, low quality, and there will be little variety.

Pipe tobacco will never be cheaper, and more available than it is now. It has been cheaper and more available than it is now... But those days ain't coming back.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, I'm far from it. I am a lover of all things tobacco, probably a little obsessed with it, and I've been reading threads like this for years. I see the writing on the wall. Don't you?

Well written , Sir Richmond,one thing I want to add , 90% Pipe Smokers in the EU and UK ,do not (or can not ) buy tobacco in large quantities beacuse of a already high prices , if one blend will disappear those folks are simply switching to another more or less similar product, prices further going up, they would switch to lower quality & more adequately priced alcohol infused pouched OTC blends,

 

[buroak]

Vaping and e-cigarettes are also on the chopping block... "Truth" non-profit or whatever anti-smoking has been hammering anti-vape hard.

I suggest you support Dave Chappelle’s rival: Truf. Here is one of their PSAs.

 

[WVOldFart]

If some actor or celebrity that the public adores is in a movie smoking a pipe, the next day pipe and tobacco sales would increase. Cigarettes got their foot hold on the public by the movie stars of the time being seem smoking cigarettes,

 

[damacene]

I wish I could switch to the pipe as my main vehicle of nicotine, but it's really hard with apartment living in a giant city. I've started smoking more aromatics and get nothing but compliments, but I have to put a dip in to get any nicotine satisfaction. I think public and indoor smoking bans were really what killed pipe smoking in America. There's got to be some way to keep it going. Honestly quiting Juuls is way way harder than cigarettes for me. At this point I've given up.

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

I wish I could switch to the pipe as my main vehicle of nicotine, but it's really hard with apartment living in a giant city. I've started smoking more aromatics and get nothing but compliments, but I have to put a dip in to get any nicotine satisfaction. I think public and indoor smoking bans were really what killed pipe smoking in America. There's got to be some way to keep it going. Honestly quiting Juuls is way way harder than cigarettes for me. At this point I've given up.

If time allows,I smoke almost everywhere ,in and outdoor and in the cars, proper ventilations afterwards,and no compaints from anyone,

 

[Pipke]

I think public and indoor smoking bans were really what killed pipe smoking in America. There's got to be some way to keep it going.

Could the decline and loss of Western smoking culture have done it in? It used to be (long time ago) that men would don smoking jackets and retreat to smoking rooms to smoke. I'm sure this wasn't done all the time, especially in outdoor settings or in settings were there were only males present. Since after WWII there has been a progressive move to a permissiveness where restraints were eroded over the decades. Smoking whenever and wherever one pleased was not only the norm, but an expectation - a right. Everybody was smoking, so what did it matter?

We got some push back in spades.

 

[mingc]

It used to be (long time ago) that men would don smoking jackets and retreat to smoking rooms to smoke.

What's stopping you from smoking in your own home?

 

[Pipke]

What's stopping you from smoking in your own home?

Really? Anything stopping you?

I was responding to @damacene comment, "...public and indoor smoking bans were really what killed pipe smoking in America." This is an opinion that reflects the general, over-arching state of attitudes toward smoking. Not just in America, but throughout the Western World. This whole thread is full of discussion about the decline of pipe smoking, and how that came to be.

Challenging me with a question like if I can smoke in my own home or not is somewhat like you have missed the whole point of the discussion. But I will tell you that I won't smoke inside my home. That is a decision that I made as a courtesy to my family, and not because my wife or some three letter agency compelled me to do so.

 

[jpberg]

What's stopping you from smoking in your own home?

Nothing. Thanks for asking!

 

[FLDRD]

Really? Anything stopping you?

I was responding to @damacene comment, "...public and indoor smoking bans were really what killed pipe smoking in America." This is an opinion that reflects the general, over-arching state of attitudes toward smoking. Not just in America, but throughout the Western World. This whole thread is full of discussion about the decline of pipe smoking, and how that came to be.

Challenging me with a question like if I can smoke in my own home or not is somewhat like you have missed the whole point of the discussion. But I will tell you that I won't smoke inside my home. That is a decision that I made as a courtesy to my family, and not because my wife or some three letter agency compelled me to do so.

Interestingly, what you, I, and many of us have "given" to our family, is what been asked of us by the rest of society...

 

[krizzose]

It's nigh enough to prepare for it now, if having tobacco is important to you.

The selection will decrease more and more, and the quality of what's left will be less and less. That's due to less demand.

The price is going to shoot through the roof at some point... Further decreasing demand.

There's an issue with the whole RYO/pipe tobacco situation. The governments, and many people on this forum, use emotion to try and separate the two... But truly they are the same animal.

This realization will cause a huge increase in the way pipe tobacco is taxed. There is practically nobody working for pipe smokers in D.C., there are people protecting cigars... For now. Pipe Tobacco has been catching that drift for a long time... That will end over this RYO problem, and the taxes will increase.

I saw Carlito Fuente, the guy from Arturo Fuente cigars, in an interview running down cigarettes with everything he had. They know the key to survival is to be separated from "those nasty cigarettes" as far as possible.

Pipe tobacco in Santa Claus' pipe causes warm and happy emotions in people. Pipe tobacco in an ex concvict's home-made cigarette is highly offensive and makes people upset.

The GH lady said that they want repeat customers and don't benefit as much from people building a cellar... She says they need people who buy regularly. She says a lot, I know. But most of the real... Sorry to possibly offend some people, but the real pipe smokers will soon all be dead from old age. This stuff here, of people buying 20 pounds of tobacco and posting pictures of it, while they smoke 3 bowls a month, and then moving on to collect fancy fountain pens, ain't going to keep the pipe tobacco demand alive. IMHO

What happens after all this plays out...

Check out Austraila, thousand dollar pounds of tobacco. Look at Canada, fifty dollar pouches of chewing tobacco. They only have the variety they have because of the rest of the world's demand.

My guess is that in 20 years there will be pipe tobacco still in production... But it will be very expensive, low quality, and there will be little variety.

Pipe tobacco will never be cheaper, and more available than it is now. It has been cheaper and more available than it is now... But those days ain't coming back.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, I'm far from it. I am a lover of all things tobacco, probably a little obsessed with it, and I've been reading threads like this for years. I see the writing on the wall. Don't you?

I think you nailed it, and you didn’t even mention possible changes in state law (see Washington and Massachusetts) that could limit one’s access to what it otherwise “available”

 

[jpberg]

Interestingly, what you, I, and many of us have "given" to our family, is what been asked of us by the rest of society...

Very good point.
“Pipe smoking used to be common”
“I don’t smoke in my house because….”
There’s a cause and effect in there.

 

[mingc]

. . . I won't smoke inside my home. That is a decision that I made as a courtesy to my family, and not because my wife or some three letter agency compelled me to do so.

And there's your reason right there. The man in your mirror.

Very good point.
“Pipe smoking used to be common”
“I don’t smoke in my house because….”
There’s a cause and effect in there.

Exactly.

 

[woodsroad]

... I think public and indoor smoking bans were really what killed pipe smoking in America....

It's really a cause and effect thing, but to my mind, the smoking bans are simply an effect of the drastic shift in public opinion of tobacco. That shift is due to the hundreds of thousands of people killed by cigarette smoking. Unless you are a dedicated smoker, the general public sees cigarettes, cigars, chew, pipes...all tobacco, all bad.
And they are right. All tobacco is deleterious to your health, and people have a right to not be compelled to smell it in public, work places, etc.

 

[jpberg]

It's really a cause and effect thing, but to my mind, the smoking bans are simply an effect of the drastic shift in public opinion of tobacco. That shift is due to the hundreds of thousands of people killed by cigarette smoking. Unless you are a dedicated smoker, the general public sees cigarettes, cigars, chew, pipes...all tobacco, all bad.
And they are right. All tobacco is deleterious to your health, and people have a right to not be compelled to smell it in public, work places, etc.

I love you, even though you’re a pinko.

 

[woodsroad]

I love you, even though you’re a pinko.

I come from good Pinko stock, but I assure you, the apple fell very far from the tree.

 

[jpberg]

I come from good Pinko stock, but I assure you, the apple fell very far from the tree.

Please don’t let reality ruin my theme here.

 

[MisterBadger]

Please don’t let reality ruin my theme here.

- or mine

 

[PipeIT]

<SIGH> It's back to the old snuffbox, then... :-/

I’ve never done snuff, but if the pipe industry died, I’d smoke more cigars. I actually got back into cigars this year, and the amount of choices now with the New World cigars is amazing.

 

[telescopes]

It's really a cause and effect thing, but to my mind, the smoking bans are simply an effect of the drastic shift in public opinion of tobacco. That shift is due to the hundreds of thousands of people killed by cigarette smoking. Unless you are a dedicated smoker, the general public sees cigarettes, cigars, chew, pipes...all tobacco, all bad.
And they are right. All tobacco is deleterious to your health, and people have a right to not be compelled to smell it in public, work places, etc.

Wait right there - to quote Meat loaf.

Where, pray tell, does the public’s rights stop or exceed my own rights given that logic?

Let’s extend that line of thought.

Must I put up with drunks and their stinky behavior invading my ear space?

Or, painting their home pink and purple and leaving trash in the front lawn devaluing everyone’s property values?

Not to mention now that driving anywhere in Cathedral City or Desert Hot Springs Means smelling the pot grow farms 24/7 - even with the windows rolled up.
i certainly appreciate your point - and I understand it from a societal point of view - but our society seems to make truly arbitrary decisions about such matters - the violence and dangers created by the Palm Springs homeless situation are not just tolerated, but seems to be encouraged. Walking through parks watching for dirty needles shouldn’t be considered part of life, especially if second hand smoke seems to be so scary. LOL. Anyway, not meaning to be confrontational, just food for thought about “rights”.