And there's the Y2K preppers who maxed out all their credit cards.
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I disagree. Back in the 1800s men would step outside or into smoking rooms (if they had them) just so they wouldn't smoke in front of the women. They even covered their heads and wore smoking jackets just so that they wouldn't stink of tobacco. This sort of etiquette was borne out of respect and love. It was voluntary. They could have adopted an attitude of "kiss my ass if you don't like it," but then you don't want to shit where you eat, right?
But you reason that I, a man born in the 1960s, contributed to the decline of pipe smoking in 2024 by choosing to not smoke inside my own home?
If you won't smoke in your home and/or around your family as a courtesy to them, it validates the public demand to not be subjected to the same.
I believe that's the point of the call out.
I believe that's the point of the call out.
Yeah. That was my thought too. Sounds like Mr Manager doesn’t know shit.
I see that. Public demand not to be subjected to the same started a long time ago. Probably since tobacco was brought to Europe.
As I said, goverments are arbitrary. But I don’t need laws to tell me when something is inconsiderate. The government supplying needles to junkies doesn’t absolve me from personal responsibility.
Agreed. Common courtesy needs to immenate from a locus of internal control. If mandates and enforcement are needed or deemed necessary, the external government regulation pressures become cohersive and unfortunately have the latent effect of absolving most individuals of being courtious: Instead of engaging in a conversation of moral responsibility they are instead forced to behave in a manner that simulates courtesy without actually being courtious. This builds resentment from those forced to obey the regulations because with those regulations comes further restrictions on their individual rights and little conversation given to the topic of responsibility.
The solution would be to provide real accommodations to those who smoke that are NOT relegating them to spaces next to the garbage containers out back or in weather proned areas designed to punish those who smoke by publically shaming them for something they choose to enjoy.
I’ve had all three. I disagree in that Captain Black Grape is undeniably grape. But that’s my own take. I am thankful to have a few tubs. I’ll string them out as long as I can.
A blend I am worried about going away is the much maligned Frosty Mint. It is too strong to be enjoyed straight but makes an excellent blender at a 1:7 ratio. I’ll need to get a pound before it disappears.
Believing in freedoms includes the freedoms of others, or it's not believing in freedoms, but a petty tyranny of one.
The only time I'm not smoking outdoors is at a pipe show. I choose not to smoke indoors because I don't want my home to stink of stale tobacco, simple as that. If in public and there's a smoking area, that's my license to enjoy, and if someone has an issue with it, don't hang out around a smoking area.
Smoking declined because it's an unhealthy habit that got a spotlight put on it and is dying out slowly through death by a thousand cuts.
So go pick out what you want to cellar before it likely disappears.
The only time I'm not smoking outdoors is at a pipe show. I choose not to smoke indoors because I don't want my home to stink of stale tobacco, simple as that. If in public and there's a smoking area, that's my license to enjoy, and if someone has an issue with it, don't hang out around a smoking area.
Smoking declined because it's an unhealthy habit that got a spotlight put on it and is dying out slowly through death by a thousand cuts.
So go pick out what you want to cellar before it likely disappears.
Well said. You describe what amounts to a perverse insentive.
Reminds me of an opinion that I recently read that modern governments have been engaged too much in attempting to create a perfect heaven on earth when they should've restrained their efforts to just preventing hell on earth.
Tobacco smoke used to be part of 80 percent of where Americans lived, worked, and played.
Now it’s not. It’s not tough to understand, it’s just tough to read about guys wondering what happened.
Now it’s not. It’s not tough to understand, it’s just tough to read about guys wondering what happened.
I think, aside from the general decline of tobacco use as a whole... well I was under the impression anyway that pipe smoking went into decline because cigarettes were more convenient than pipes?
And then there's a host of other things to pipes decline specifically relative to other tobacco forms, and it's going to depend per-country because I think doesn't Sweden or one of those Scandinavian countries have one of the highest per-capita number of pipe smokers? But anyway at least in America, cigars became way more popular than pipes, not entirely sure why, if it's partly because they're seen as more convenient or because of the long history of anti-intellectualism and pipes often being associated with intellectualism whereas cigars were what "real men" smoked (think action movies... Schwarzenegger smokes pipes and pipe tobacco or at least used to, same with Stallone, but if you saw them smoke on screen, it was only ever cigars, though that may in part be it's easier to film and deal with a cigar while you're using two hands to hold a helicopter machine gun).
Regardless, pipes were in decline in favor of other forms of tobacco consumption long before there was a real hardcore effort to reduce tobacco use (in general).
And then there's a host of other things to pipes decline specifically relative to other tobacco forms, and it's going to depend per-country because I think doesn't Sweden or one of those Scandinavian countries have one of the highest per-capita number of pipe smokers? But anyway at least in America, cigars became way more popular than pipes, not entirely sure why, if it's partly because they're seen as more convenient or because of the long history of anti-intellectualism and pipes often being associated with intellectualism whereas cigars were what "real men" smoked (think action movies... Schwarzenegger smokes pipes and pipe tobacco or at least used to, same with Stallone, but if you saw them smoke on screen, it was only ever cigars, though that may in part be it's easier to film and deal with a cigar while you're using two hands to hold a helicopter machine gun).
Regardless, pipes were in decline in favor of other forms of tobacco consumption long before there was a real hardcore effort to reduce tobacco use (in general).
I went to go replenish my stock of needles at the local needle exchange and couldn’t believe my luck when they also handed me a goodie bag containing a spoon, aluminum foil, a lighter, and a straw. Happy Thanksgiving to me!
Different types of smoking had different associations attached to them. Cigars were associated with successful business types, while pipes were associated adventurers, philosophers, and intellectuals.
No wonder that pipe smoking is dying out.
Growing the stuff isn’t rocket science either. Oregon grown tobacco ain’t exactly McClelland but it’s better than nothing if shit really does hit the fan. I’ve grown it before as a pest deterrent in my garden and it did great. The curing would be difficult as our summers are so darned dry but next year I might actually harvest and process some.
Hey, there’s the right answer.
I also do not smoke in my house by personal choice. When our youngest daughter was three years old, she started having a problem with bronchitis - which was a misdiagnosis, she actually had allergies and asthma. The diagnosis was changed when she was five. I stopped being a daily pipe smoker for the next 13-years until she moved out to go to college.