Titanic Tour Sub Missing. Remarks/Questions.

[georged]

ANY time there's significant risk, a for-profit company running the show makes me nervous.

After a market has been established, business is pretty much defined as endless corner-cutting and cost saving.

I don't know a damn thing about the particulars of this disaster, but a dollar sez when the investigation is complete that greed/money/tightwad-ness was the root cause in some way.

 

[ashdigger]

I just watched a few videos about this scenario and a couple of things stick out.

1. The CEO didn’t want 50 year old experienced white guys designing and building the vessel

2. The had college grads and a surfer building it.

3. They cut every corner known to man.

4. They used an experimental design.

5. The end of the unit used for ingress and egress is BOLTED in place.

6. Apollo 1 disaster is relevant as are lessons ignored.

7. Waiver explicitly stated death is an option

 

[blackpowderpiper]

I just watched a few videos about this scenario and a couple of things stick out.

1. The CEO didn’t want 50 year old experienced white guys designing and building the vessel

2. The had college grads and a surfer building it.

3. They cut every corner known to man.

4. They used an experimental design.

5. The end of the unit used for ingress and egress is BOLTED in place.

6. Apollo 1 disaster is relevant as are lessons ignored.

7. Waiver explicitly stated death is an option

What could possibly go wrong? (blue font)

 

[georged]

I just watched a few videos about this scenario and a couple of things stick out.

1. The CEO didn’t want 50 year old experienced white guys designing and building the vessel

2. The had college grads and a surfer building it.

3. They cut every corner known to man.

4. They used an experimental design.

5. The end of the unit used for ingress and egress is BOLTED in place.

6. Apollo 1 disaster is relevant as are lessons ignored.

7. Waiver explicitly stated death is an option

This ^^^^ sort of shit is why humans cannot have nice things.


1 -- Political correctness + ego

2 -- Save $$$

3 -- Save $$$

4 -- Ego so big physics was told to take a hike

5 -- Save $$$

6 -- Ego so big history was told to take a hike

7 -- (Sad but necessary)

 

[ashdigger]

 

[Briar Lee]

I’ve been looking up ways to get a deep diving sub out to the site.

The Alvin (I remember reading about it in grade school almost sixty years ago) is still in service at Wood’s Hole. It could reach the lost submersible, and it maybe,
might hook on to it.

DSV Alvin - Wikipedia

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The problem with that idea, is Alvin’s service ship only goes 11 knots and it’s over 400 miles away.

RV Atlantis (AGOR-25) - Wikipedia

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They should have left yesterday, to have any chance of making it.

 

[fireground_piper]

Regarding the structure itself, it would appear it was designed in consult with NASA. At least as far as structural design goes, that's at least some due diligence you'd think.

The video game controller part though is pretty.......odd.

 

[Briar Lee]

There is little doubt the missing Titan will not eventually be found.

The members of the Scottish tradition Christian Church have for generations been used as helmsmen on capital ships.
Our little church at Humansville lost a boy on the the Thresher in 1963 and the Scorpion in 1968. No bodies were recovered but the wrecks were located.

(On both occasions my mother shook me violently and made me promise to never volunteer to steer a submarine. I kept my word.)

The Titan is small, and has grab hooks.

Eventually they’ll raise her, from the depths.

When I was a child we sang this old lullaby about the Titanic. It’s truly a part hillbilly culture to be fascinated with Titanic.

 

[woodsroad]

So write the "news" agencies. The lawsuit(s) only covered termination justification. I've not seen any reporting with regard to the disposition of the case nor the validity of the allegations. So, incomplete story makes it "click bait" in my mind. I want to see the conclusions. And, were the dismissal allegations addressed by the manufacturer at a later date. Way too little information, in my opinion, to draw any conclusion as to how the suit is important to the condition of the vessel yesterday.

I dearly love it if news agencies would revert back to "who, what, when, where and why" rather than "what makes people click?" I know ... I know, clicks sell ads.

As someone who spent 21 years as a photojournalist at a major metropolitan daily, I can tell you that the era of expecting responsible, professional journalism is in it's waning moments. There isn't the money anymore to do journalism properly, and political bias has destroyed the will to do it properly. That said, I see this as a story who's conclusion is either unknowable (suit settled out of court) or there aren't the resources to do the job properly and report the entire story. Or they were so rushed to keep the news flow going that they reported the story prematurely (and incompletely). I don't see click-bait here, but to me, an incomplete reporting job is even worse than that because it lowers the veracity of everything that news organization does. Does anyone expect honest reporting anymore? Does anyone think that it matters? Does anyone think that honesty and veracity matter anymore? Is there any such thing as "the truth"? Or facts?

As my wife (another newspaper refugee) says: "The truth is so...yesterday".

 

[brian64]

Does anyone expect honest reporting anymore? Does anyone think that it matters? Does anyone think that honesty and veracity matter anymore? Is there any such thing as "the truth"? Or facts?

Yes, absolutely...but not from any organization within the corporate/government "mainstream" media cartel.

 

[Briar Lee]

A half century ago when I was in college we were required to subscribe to The New York Times. But they told us the most unbiased paper was The Christian Science Monitor.

This entire story about the missing submersible is mind candy, if it bleeds it leads, news entertainment. My Amish renter will never know about it.

What’s needed is a modern Captain Sir Arthur Roston commanding some modern day Carpathia at flank speed to the rescue.

Arthur Rostron - Wikipedia

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Give mothers a hero their little ones can admire, even if they arrive too late.

We sort of know that 9 am Thursday this becomes a recovery and not a rescue, but until then not one stone should be left unturned to save those people.

 

[georged]

Is there any such thing as "the truth"? Or facts?

Absolutely 100% yes.

No need to track it down, or worry about it in any way.

You will be informed of facts as necessary:






And periodically your understanding of them will evaluated in group meetings:






If that understanding is determined to be lacking in some way, you will be tested:






And if you fail that test, you will be encouraged to re-evaluate your conclusions regarding the veracity of those facts:

 

[woodsroad]

Yes, absolutely...but not from any organization within the corporate/government "mainstream" media cartel.

I have some semblance of trust only in those news sources that have proven themselves over time. Most “alternative” news sources are worse than even the MSM.

Read widely, think critically, go to primary sources, trust your instinct, but be open to your presuppositions being incorrect.

 

[warren]

Read widely, think critically, go to primary sources, trust your instinct, but be open to your presuppositions being incorrect.

Ab-so-fu__ing-lutely! Critical thinking is so sadly lacking in people these days.

 

[Hfinn]

They must have hit an iceberg? Do not look for entertainment in the cemetery, why disturb the rest of the dead.

 

[brian64]

I have some semblance of trust only in those news sources that have proven themselves over time.

"Trust" is not the issue for me when it comes to "news sources". There are some that I suppose I "trust" are sincerely trying to get at the truth, but that doesn't mean they're always correct.

But I certainly do not trust those who have proven themselves over time to be intentional, calculating liars and paid shills and propagandists. And sometimes even much worse than any of those things.

 

[Zero]

Absolutely 100% yes.

No need to track it down, or worry about it in any way.

You will be informed of facts as necessary:

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[brian64]

Just by accident I happened to come across a link to this article just a moment ago...I have no idea as to the accuracy of it but perhaps there's still hope for those on this sub:

Searchers for Titanic Tourist Sub Heard 'Banging' From Area

A Canadian Aircraft, part of the enormous search mission looking for the missing Titanic tourists, heard 'banging' at 30-minute intervals in the area the submarine disappeared.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[karam]

I just watched a few videos about this scenario and a couple of things stick out.

1. The CEO didn’t want 50 year old experienced white guys designing and building the vessel

2. The had college grads and a surfer building it.

3. They cut every corner known to man.

4. They used an experimental design.

5. The end of the unit used for ingress and egress is BOLTED in place.

6. Apollo 1 disaster is relevant as are lessons ignored.

7. Waiver explicitly stated death is an option

The weird thing about the above is that the passengers are very rich, and probably very smart people.
Rich and/or smart people don't let things go to chance and wing it otherwise they wouldn't have gotten where they are. You'd expect that they would have had someone check this stuff on their behalf given their lives would be at risk. It really doesn't make sense to me.
In any way, they are humans at sea, I hope they are found safe and sound.

 

[mawnansmiff]

Though I wish this story has a happy ending, I've a feeling it will be anything but. I find it astonishing that they can 'lose' the capsule what with all the technology involved....notwithstanding the games controller .

I'll bet Hollywood scriptwriters are already busy hammering away at their keyboards to create the next 'blockbuster movie' based upon this.

Regards,

Jay.