The Samuel Gawith Era

[cosmicfolklore]

When I smoke a lot of Lakelamds, I find that my hair migrates South, and I get all animal-like. But I suspect the rose geranium oils to be the cause of the nipple rings that just sprouted like buds on my little pink nips. It’s definately disconcerting. ::
For an interesting Virginia coin cut from a Virginia Twist, their Curley Cut Delux is very good, but there is a tad bit of an essence in it. But, it doesn’t reach my tastebuds. To me its like the same Virginia as Escudo, without the perique. I have five pounds of it. A great all day smoke.

 

[brian64]

I'm struggling with the correct pronunciation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zacpwu0mWDk

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Men-u-sha

 

[woodsroad]

Pipeman, there are no conflicts. Standard Tobacco blends will rise or fall on their own merits. The products sold under our name are quite different from anything GH offers, not the least reason being that they don't have any Lakelands scent in them, be that good, bad or indifferent.

 

[jpberg]

Am I the only one who has always preferred GH to SG? Although they are no longer in the 300 year old fire trap of a manufactury, I think they are still the real deal, and last of the legitimate purity law era houses.

 

[derekflint]

WISH I COULD GET SOME.......EVERYBODYS OUT !!

 

[virginialover]

So has SG become like the new Dunhill tobaccos, meaning only a name? Am I to understand that GH buys them out and then slowly transforms them into a clone basically? The Borg is assimilating once again, resistance is futile. A damn shame if it is.

 

[lazar]

I remember reading some kind of "nothing will change with the merger" statement, and thought that the SG staff were just moving over to the GH facility. Can't remember where I read that now - if it was something official or the kind of speculation-in-the-guise-of-knowledge that so many indulge in.

 

[pipeman7]

So has SG become like the new Dunhill tobaccos, meaning only a name? Am I to understand that GH buys them out and then slowly transforms them into a clone basically? The Borg is assimilating once again, resistance is futile. A damn shame if it is.

What it is is complete bs. SG merged with GH and moved all their own equipment to the facility. Sam Gawith is still making SG blends, they are just doing so in the Gawith Hoggarth building. The GH facility was big enough to house both of them, and they are family after all so why not work together

So has SG become like the new Dunhill tobaccos, meaning only a name?

and no, SG is the opposite of that actually. SG makes all their own tobacco on very old machines with very old methods. The "new Dunhill tobaccos" or pipe tobacco companies who are just a brand name and don't produce their own blends are companies like The Standard Tobacco Company of Pennsylvania who uses Lane Limited (captain black, 1q, etc), GLP who uses Cornell & Diehl or Hearth & Home who sell Sutliff tobacco.

 

[virginialover]

pipeman7: " Don't believe everything you read "
I don't but if there's a change in the SG tobaccos, as noted by myself and some pipe smokers on this forum, then I can ask myself some predictable questions.
I also noticed some changes in the packaging of J.F.Germain tobaccos. From what I understand, the tins are now made in Germany and bulk production is in the Jersey Channel Islands. I haven't tested if there's a difference in quality though.
Again we can see that the pipe tobacco industry is always on the move, reacting or responding to the market, while sometimes the decision is political, ideological or plainly mercantile. GH could be taking care of an old commercial rival, who knows?
This is all speculation of course.

 

[pipeman7]

Sam Gawith themselves stated they are still making the tobacco on their machines just in the GH building. I berlieve GH's success in Europe is due to the ryo

 

[lazar]

I also noticed some changes in the packaging of J.F.Germain tobaccos. From what I understand, the tins are now made in Germany and bulk production is in the Jersey Channel Islands. I haven't tested if there's a difference in quality though.

Odd that Germain chose such an uncertain time to start buying tins from the EU. It might not be possible for much longer, if the UK actually does leave the EU.

 

[virginialover]

I meant tinned in Germany.

 

[virginialover]

pipeman7: "Sam Gawith themselves stated they are still making the tobacco on their machines just in the GH building. I berlieve GH's success in Europe is the ryo"
Don't get me wrong, I like both SG and GH, each has their own good products but it would be a shame if SG tries to become something it's not.

 

[lazar]

I meant tinned in Germany.

Either way. The UK government is so confused that nobody knows what's going to happen - but if they leave with no deal as they keep threatening, there will be virtually no commerce between the UK and EU. Maybe Germain made the deal to switch before the referendum.

 

[nukesimi]

I guess my assumptions were entirely wrong. I thought SG was the big shot with the great blends making a killing. Turns out it's GH. Not that I wish them any ill fortune, it's just difficult how they can sell so much more than SG with all that perfume they sauce their tobaccos with. That said I do like Bob's Chocolate Flake.

 

[virginialover]

If Germain becomes German, pun intended, then hell has probably frozen over for pipe tobacco.

 

[pipeman7]

Don't get me wrong, I like both SG and GH, each has their own good products but it would be a shame if SG tries to become something it's not.

There's nothing that indicates SG will try to become something it's not. It's been 2+ years now since the move.

 

[woodsroad]

Look at the data that I linked to. Samuel Gawith Co. no longer exists. It is gone. Fin. Extinct. Everything with the SG moniker is made by Gawith Hoggarth. Look at the Board of Directors. The Sg people resigned and dissolved the company.

 

[sablebrush52]

Planta handles one, if not more, of the Germain's blends.
As for SToP, If anyone is suggesting that they didn't develop their first releases, Warhorse and the first three John Cotton blends, then that person doesn't know shit about what they're posting about.
If anyone has something to back up their assertions, let's see it.