@layinpipe - I have to disagree with you about Phil being a great frontman. Ozzy, Rob Halford, Ronnie James Dio, Bruce Dickinson etc. are great frontmen, Phil is just annoying. I saw Pantera twice and Super Joint Ritual once. Phil drives me crazy, because he spends to much time between songs talking about stupid stuff; Pantera could have played two-three more songs in there set time if he would have just shut up. One can only talk about the female sex parts so many times before it becomes completely moronic. I thought Super Joint Ritual was a joke. I'm sure they could be pretty good too, but in the short 30-40 minute set time they played only 4 songs because Phil would just ramble about stupid things between the few songs they played. Really annoying if you ask me. I'm all for singers bantering with the crowd, but he goes way over the top to the point of being retarded. Pantera was great both times, but Phil was definitely annoying. I like Down too, but I've yet to see them live.