Glocks are as Generic as a 1911

[Briar Lee]

Sorry man, I’m missing the point.

Whatever is meant by 1911s being generic doesn’t have much to do with whether law enforcement carries them?

But I don’t see 1911s as generic, swappable and so forth - to me not the same as the point that was originally being made about Glocks. Apples and oranges, IMHO.

Everybody and his brother makes a 1911 and there’s a huge aftermarket.

But it’s a hand fitted forged steel design.

It must not be that hard to make one or we’d not see $350 new 1911s.

And a $3,500 custom 1911 is a wonderful piece of jewelry that shoots 45 ACP rounds, and worth the money.

But a 1911 is now in the public domain.

The whole problem, is to sell the 1911 in a market overflowing with cheap 1911s.

Gaston Glock, paid (legal) bribes, hired strippers (hookers), filed lawsuits, set up shell corporations, no telling what all shady stuff he did to sell one million Glocks a year in the USA alone. The old Nazi veteran died with a wife young enough to be his granddaughter. Living large like that costs money.

If old Gaston made one for $75 then the others might make one for $50.

A Glock is a Glock.

There’s no Gold Cup National Match grade Glocks, it’s a plastic and CNC milled tool.

A hammer that shoots.

 

[HawkeyeLinus]

Everybody and his brother makes a 1911 and there’s a huge aftermarket.

But it’s a hand fitted forged steel design.

It must not be that hard to make one or we’d not see $350 new 1911s.

And a $3,500 custom 1911 is a wonderful piece of jewelry that shoots 45 ACP rounds, and worth the money.

Gaston Glock, paid bribes, hired hookers, filed lawsuits, set up shell corporations, no telling what all shady stuff he did to sell one million Glocks a year in the USA alone.

If old Gaston made one for $75 then the others might make one for $50.

A Glock is a Glock.

There’s no Gold Cup National Match grade Glocks, it’s a plastic and CNC milled tool.

A hammer that shoots.

So they aren't as generic?

 

[PaulRVA]

Most Hi-Points never break because they end up in evidence lockers too quick before they are shot a lot of times.

And usually found stove piped as well

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

My two Ruger Flattop 44 Special Blackhawks are “heir proof”.

I love my boys, and if you shoot enough 44 Skeeter loads you can occasionally duplicate Elmer Keith in front of your kids.

No gradson or granddaughter of mine yet unborn will drop my Number 5 clones and shoot themselves.

And when they research Bill Ruger, they won’t be ashamed to own them, either.

William B. Ruger - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ruger still builds firearms for responsible citizens, in factories in the United States of America

And they’ll go well with my No. 1

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This ad still sells Rugers, a half century later

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Bill Ruger was a shithead....

We had to wait until he died to get Ruger made 25 round 10/22 magazines, because Bill Ruger hated the Second Amendment.

 

[MortarMessiah]

We live in the Golden Age of firearms, there are so many options now, and a lot of options similar to the trusty Glock. I was raised on Glocks and even though I really enjoy a lot of other pistols, I still prefer the Glock. Give me a Glock 19 all day everyday. Cant go wrong.

 

[sardonicus87]

I've always hated the Glock platform and how it feels. I've never liked any that I have tried.

That said, I only skimmed the thread but Ruger is capable of making a decent firearm. I've got an ≈$200 Ruger Security 9 that fires way too well and consistently for a $200 piece.

As to 1911's, I really like that platform for .45, but I don't like it for carry. There's certainly many variations on the 1911, I have one by Remington (R1S I think), it's not the best 1911 I've ever fired, but it's not the worst either... but it was free.

Regardless, Ruger can make a good firearm, and Glocks are overrated. Hell, the 1911 platform is borderline overrated too, but at least that platform doesn't suck (unlike the Glock, which nobody can ever change my mind on, all of them are trash).

 

[MortarMessiah]

I've always hated the Glock platform and how it feels. I've never liked any that I have tried.

That said, I only skimmed the thread but Ruger is capable of making a decent firearm. I've got an ≈$200 Ruger Security 9 that fires way too well and consistently for a $200 piece.

As to 1911's, I really like that platform for .45, but I don't like it for carry. There's certainly many variations on the 1911, I have one by Remington (R1S I think), it's not the best 1911 I've ever fired, but it's not the worst either... but it was free.

Regardless, Ruger can make a good firearm, and Glocks are overrated. Hell, the 1911 platform is borderline overrated too, but at least that platform doesn't suck (unlike the Glock, which nobody can ever change my mind on, all of them are trash).

Disagree with ya buddy. But everybody got their opinion.

 

[Brad H]

We live in the Golden Age of firearms, there are so many options now, and a lot of options similar to the trusty Glock. I was raised on Glocks and even though I really enjoy a lot of other pistols, I still prefer the Glock. Give me a Glock 19 all day everyday. Cant go wrong.

100%!!!! some +P+ out of that bad boy is all you need!

 

[wyfbane]

We live in the Golden Age of firearms, there are so many options now, and a lot of options similar to the trusty Glock. I was raised on Glocks and even though I really enjoy a lot of other pistols, I still prefer the Glock. Give me a Glock 19 all day everyday. Cant go wrong.

Yeah, but it's the housing bubble of ammo prices, so my giddiness is waaay muted. Lol

I like Ruger. 1000 blessings on them for bringing back the Marlin1895 in 45-70 ( and improving it). And, like Van, I have a Ruger No. 1. Mine is in 25.06, and is a smooth operator. I have Glocks, but prefer Sigs anyway, so a Ruger knockoff is fine with me.

One of my favorite pistols is my Norinco 1911. That damn thing shoots so well. I have always loved the 1911. In the 1911 vs 9mm debate, I would pick the 1911, if the mag capacities are the same. The 15 shot mags, make for a compelling argument for the 9mm, though.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Four Rugers in my bag (LCP, SP101, MkII, Singe-Six). With a little polishing work, they shoot pretty well at their price point

Four here as well. SP101, Security Six, American Rimfire, and a Mini 14 GB. As far as 1911s are concerned I have a Remington R1s, and say what you will about Remington, this thing is a tack driver. My only complaint is that it's an original design so there's no beavertail, so I get hammer bite from it. One of these days I'm going to get a beavertail installed.

 

[huntertrw]

I'll stick to my Model 1911. It's all the handgun I'll ever need and then some!

 

[MortarMessiah]

I'll stick to my Model 1911. It's all the handgun I'll ever need and then some!

Stick to what you know, always good advice.

 

[telescopes]

My thoughts on the limited capacity of the 45 1911 are this: If you need more than 8 shots for CC, you definitely are going to the wrong places and need to question your judgement. A second mag can always give you 7 more shots, but if you need that second mag, yeh, a Glock or something like it in 9mm would be the way to go.

 

[telescopes]

For Law Enforcement, high capacity makes sense. For CCW, comfort and ease of carry as well as knockdown power are my chief concerns.

 

[anantaandroscoggin]

Another one that "Everybody and his brother" are making similar guns to is the Colt 1873 in various calibers and barrel lengths (starting with the .45 Colt, mistakenly called by some ".45 Long Colt").

There never was a .45 Short Colt. There was (and still are) .32 short and long, .38 short and long, and once upon a time the early factory Remington 1858 conversions were chambered for the .46 Long rimfire (there was also a .46 short, and a .46 Extra Long).

For the fun of it, some while ago I got the Blue Line issue of Mauser 1911-22.

 

[Briar Lee]

Another one that "Everybody and his brother" are making similar guns to is the Colt 1873 in various calibers and barrel lengths (starting with the .45 Colt, mistakenly called by some ".45 Long Colt").

There never was a .45 Short Colt. There was (and still are) .32 short and long, .38 short and long, and once upon a time the early factory Remington 1858 conversions were chambered for the .46 Long rimfire (there was also a .46 short, and a .46 Extra Long).

For the fun of it, some while ago I got the Blue Line issue of Mauser 1911-22.

When we reach for a handgun in a holster, it’s really just a much improved Colt 1851 Navy.

And the best Colt Navy was the solid frame 1858 Remington, which evolved into the 1873 Colt, then the Colt New Police, and then New Army, and finally John Browning’s magazine pistol of 1911. Gaston Glock made a Browning Hi Power without a hammer with a plastic frame.

My 1873 Colt is a Taylor Tuned Uberti Cattleman in .357.

A friend of mine drove down to the lake at the Shooter’s Club to see my new toy cowboy pistol.

There is a large gong a hundred yards across the lake, and he said I wonder how many shots it would take to hit that?

I loaded five and rang the gong five times in a row, and said, try that with your Glock.

To be fair, a Glock is about twice as accurate as it needs to be.

My 1873 Colt replica was designed to hit a man on horseback at fifty paces.

Try that today and you’d be peeping through the bars, for quite awhile.

 

[NookersTheCat]

Personally I'm really getting sick of all these glock clones myself. Sure, Glock is a legendary revolutionary firearm design. But the flooding of the market with every single company making every single pistol exactly the same except for some milling cuts is getting old fast.

Personally I'm a DA/SA guy (imho by far a superior action to DAO) and specifically a Walther guy.. and they're one of the most guilty. Their P99 was all the great parts of a glock but still a unique action and design (first with interchangeable backstraps etc). Now it's gone and all they make are more glock clones. Basically the only DA/SA's around anymore are Sig and Bersa both of which are all steel and hammer fired.

I just don't understand how many of essentially the same exact pistol with the same exact action and same exact functionality a person can feel they need but I feel like it's gotta reach saturation sooner or later.

 

[Briar Lee]

Product evolution reaches a point to where all you can do, is make it cheaper.

Case in point, the dial rotary telephone.

Elmer Keith modified an 1873 Colt in 44 Special a hundred years ago to where he shot a wounded mule deer at six hundred yards with it.

Gaston Glock designed the perfect tool to shoot men at 25 yards.

It simply cannot be improved.

It can be made cheaper.

 

[edger]

Love my Rugers and Smiths. I also love my Charter Arms Bulldog 44 and Pathfinder 22lr. I just picked up an Undercover to see if the CNC machining has improved specs. So far I am impressed!

 

[Briar Lee]

Love my Rugers and Smiths. I also love my Charter Arms Bulldog 44 and Pathfinder 22lr. I just picked up an Undercover to see if the CNC machining has improved specs. So far I am impressed!

If you handed the ghost of John Moses Browning a blank sheet of paper and said design me a 44 Special hide out revolver he’d come back with a Charter Arms Bulldog.

It’s the Glock of 44 belly guns.

The only downside to the 44 Bulldog is all factory ammo will have to be made safe for a Bulldog forever.

The big upside is all gun shops have to carry a couple of boxes of 44s for a Bulldog.