Yep it’s that. I also tried some from the 80s a few years back, and while the topping had faded, that base tobacco was still screaming. Delicious stuff.
Farewell Sutliff Tobacco Company - Monday 3/4/25
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Yeah I used to be in a few pipe groups on FB and people gave them so much hate, many called C&D the "Gurkha of pipe tobacco" which to those unfamiliar with Gurkha they're a total joke in the cigar community and I'd say rightly so because of their asinine marketing and publicity stunts. Not comparable to C&D at all, they do so much tangible good for the pipe community even if you don't care for many of their blends.
What is this “community” that you speak of? Is there a group house somewhere? With a big pot of lentils stewing on the stove? Maybe some bead curtains and old mattresses on the floor?
Is there a word for "the customer bases for cigars / pipes" that won't trigger your pedantry?
C&D, in response to your "If STG could buy C&D, they'd close them, too."
I respect them but revile their actual products. But hell, even Gurkha makes a smokable cigar now and then if you grab them for $2 on CBid.
I've had a few Gurkhas I've enjoyed, but their posturing as an ultra boutique brand when they aren't is so laughable. Like that million dollar cigar that supposedly contained Himalayan tobacco was was rolled by blindfolded rollers, it was never actually made.
Cigar smokers or pipe smokers. Community instills an image of commonality where little really exists excluding the individual's choice of tobacco use.
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Au contraire, there seem to be several commonalities that link the members of our community...for example, allegiance to the authority of jiminks; lockstep disapproval of [company] that then turns to lockstep mourning of [company]; the ability to find a reason to complain about the decline in quality of every tobacco blend including those released for the first time just a week ago...
You are living in an echo chamber where 1% of the 1% of pipe smokers repeat “what he said”. None of what you cited holds true for me or any of my pipe smoking acquaintances.Au contraire, there seem to be several commonalities that link the members of our community...for example, allegiance to the authority of jiminks; lockstep disapproval of [company] that then turns to lockstep mourning of [company]; the ability to find a reason to complain about the decline in quality of every tobacco blend including those released for the first time just a week ago...
The closest I come to a pipe smoker community are the two pipe clubs that I occasion. But even there, sitting around once a month and bullshitting about this and that, while fun, hardly constitutes “community”.
I’ll go out on a limb here and postulate that this “community” thing originates with the under-socialized generation that grew up with cell phones and social media, hungry for the basic human desire for human contact, but unequipped to form the kind of interpersonal bonds necessary to make it happen.
Oh, I have plenty of interpersonal bonds in my offline life, as I'm sure many people here do, and I understand the difference between, say, a close-knit parish life and an online forum of pipe-puffing weirdos like us. There's just no need to get unnecessarily pedantic about using the word "community" as a shorthand phrase for the on- and off-line tobacco appreciation sphere--especially if you're using "agreement" and "consensus" as your grounds, since those aren't always present even in a loving and stable marriage or family, let alone your average "community" by any definition!
Good points, but far too much gets assumed about the commonality. I could care less if people want to assume that a community exists, using even the lowest common denominator definition, but when they start ascribing behavior to it that I don’t engage in, or complaining that someone or some entity should or does do something altruistic “for the community”, it sticks in my craw. In case you couldn’t tell.Oh, I have plenty of interpersonal bonds in my offline life, as I'm sure many people here do, and I understand the difference between, say, a close-knit parish life and an online forum of pipe-puffing weirdos like us. There's just no need to get unnecessarily pedantic about using the word "community" as a shorthand phrase for the on- and off-line tobacco appreciation sphere--especially if you're using "agreement" and "consensus" as your grounds, since those aren't always present even in a loving and stable marriage or family, let alone your average "community" by any definition!
Actually, you hit on something I was thinking of myself earlier, re: the 1% of 1% of pipesmokers. There is a more-or-less vast array of smokers out there who basically never interact with the more vocal "pipe community" but are probably the ones keeping many brands afloat with their purchases. I am moderately fascinated with them, like I am with those who treat Petersons or Sasienis like I treat my cheapest cobs. I have little in common with them because I enjoy nerding out about my pipes and pipe history and my Excel spreadsheets cataloging my pipes and tins and all that, but they exist, and you're very much correct that even this forum is just a small sliver of the populace that actually smokes pipes.
However, in my opinion the very fact that we're willing to argue about pipes and tobacco and definitions on the internet makes us at least closer to a "community" than the silent majority that just enjoys puffing away without needing to tell everyone else about it.
For sure, I think all of us would naturally say "hey, I don't do that!" in reaction to some generalization or other. And all the more so in regards to a hobby so subjective that we can't even agree on what a "Scottish blend" is. I just tend to find stereotypes and generalizations funny rather than offensive because I do fit so many of them myself.
Community? I don‘t recall anywhere on this forum where any of us have a voice as to how it’s organized or ran. It’s a forum reflective of the engagement of a hundred or so very active members and the absenct voices of many thousands more who may or may not be visible. But more to the point, it’s a money making enterprise that collects data for free and leverages it for advertising dollars (not suggesting anything is wrong with that) but the suggestion that it is a community - I agree with @woodsroad.
So, are they in or out of “The Community”, and who’s going to tell them all that they’ve been voted off the island?the silent majority that just enjoys puffing away without needing to tell everyone else about it.
Since @telescopes rightly observes that no one's really in charge, I hereby take the initiative to declare myself Grand Poobah and immediately ban anyone who wilfully chews through a vulcanite mouthpiece from official membership in The Pipe Community™. Repentance may be expressed to us through royal DM. We swear that the rest of our Poobahship shall be benevolent and hands-off!So, are they in or out of “The Community”, and who’s going to tell them all that they’ve been voted off the island?
"Strange men sitting at their computers distributing subjective takes on blend characteristics is no basis for a system of community!"