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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,264
30,360
Carmel Valley, CA
I did the spit method and it seems to only work for a few seconds, until it goes back to this state. Never heard of this problem anywhere, and some people are telling me it is a “waxing” problem. I’ll contact Savinelli first thing in the morning tomorrow.
Mineral oil lasts way longer!

There is no charring! Charring is when the wood is damaged, and not just covered in lava, soot, or whatever you want to call it....except charring!
 
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edger

Lifer
Dec 9, 2016
3,040
22,836
75
Mayer AZ
I rub the rim with nose grease after every smoke. This works well but I still get a darkening of the rim on the stem side. Every pipe I've owned does this and I refuse to worry about it. Just comes with the territory. I realize this is certainly not what the OP is experiencing but just my two cents.
 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,264
30,360
Carmel Valley, CA
I rub the rim with nose grease after every smoke. This works well but I still get a darkening of the rim on the stem side. Every pipe I've owned does this and I refuse to worry about it. Just comes with the territory. I realize this is certainly not what the OP is experiencing but just my two cents.
I've done that to more than a few pipes. For me, it happens because the pipe is hanging at about a 30º angle below horizontal, and the leftover flame laps across the stem side of the rim. Drawing the flame to just above the tobacco helps minimize darkening.
 

mingc

Lifer
Jun 20, 2019
4,280
12,652
The Big Rock Candy Mountains
No. but it definitely was the first one in which i smoked 2 half bowls to break in a pipe, and this happened.
?‍♂️ Like I say, it looks like completely normal wax dissipation to me, from the heat of the pipe. I'm not one of the super old timers. I started only in the mid 2000s, but I've had my share of new smooth briars; I stopped count after 50. Having said that, I've never been tempted to buy a Savinelli. Good luck.
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
45,530
120,959
That's not wax removal, that pipe has a lacquer coat that has been burned away with heat. Waxing will shine it, but the outline of where the lacquer once was will remain. I'd remove the remaining lacquer from the entire stummel with acetone before waxing.
 

BROBS

Lifer
Nov 13, 2019
11,765
40,043
IA
That's not wax removal, that pipe has a lacquer coat that has been burned away with heat. Waxing will shine it, but the outline of where the lacquer once was will remain. I'd remove the remaining lacquer from the entire stummel with acetone before waxing.
Yup that’s what I meant by my post.
a good quality lacquer won’t do that
I’ve had high gloss Pete’s and the lacquer won’t do that unless you burn the crap out of it. But I’ve had that same thing happen as the OP on a new Italian made Stanwell. It’s poor quality or poorly cured lacquer.
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
45,530
120,959
Yup that’s what I meant by my post.
a good quality lacquer won’t do that
I’ve had high gloss Pete’s and the lacquer won’t do that unless you burn the crap out of it. But I’ve had that same thing happen as the OP on a new Italian made Stanwell. It’s poor quality or poorly cured lacquer.
Likely had micro air bubbles in it.
 

lightmybriar

Lifer
Mar 11, 2014
1,315
1,842
That's not wax removal, that pipe has a lacquer coat that has been burned away with heat. Waxing will shine it, but the outline of where the lacquer once was will remain. I'd remove the remaining lacquer from the entire stummel with acetone before waxing.
This is what I did with excellent results. I use a buffing wheel on a drill with carnauba wax to shine it up after the lacquer is removed.
 

Law

Starting to Get Obsessed
Oct 1, 2020
222
320
Saudi Arabia
Update!

savinelli replied back by quotation:

”We are so sorry for your disappointment, so we asked our craftsmen, and they told us that actually this is a completely normal situation: in fact the rim is covered with shellac, and that is normal that with the heat this substance fades away. “

wrote them back of their recomendations to “bring back the finish“ they yet didn’t reply as of yet. i’ll just try the mineral oil as one member suggested, and see what happens.
 
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BROBS

Lifer
Nov 13, 2019
11,765
40,043
IA
Update!

savinelli replied back by quotation:

”We are so sorry for your disappointment, so we asked our craftsmen, and they told us that actually this is a completely normal situation: in fact the rim is covered with shellac, and that is normal that with the heat this substance fades away. “

wrote them back of their recomendations to “bring back the finish“ they yet didn’t reply as of yet. i’ll just try the mineral oil as one member suggested, and see what happens.
Use a polishing cloth on the rim.
their answer is horse-shit tho I’ll tell you that much.
 

craig61a

Lifer
Apr 29, 2017
6,165
52,955
Minnesota USA
I wasn’t aware that they actually used shellac. Lightly moisten a paper towel with alcohol and wipe away the rest of the shellac and then just apply wax to keep it shiny if that’s what you want. That’s what I would do, anyway.

A very light cut of shellac on a stummel helps to seal in the stain, and some makers use it. In any case waxing the rim helps to keep it from getting stained by tars as the wax will melt and wick into the surface instead of tars, which will mostly stay on the surface and can be easily wiped away.

Myriad other suggestions to follow...