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olkofri

Lifer
Sep 9, 2017
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The Arm of Orion
Hoosier quoted a respiratory therapist as saying humans have no immune response to this virus, but then why do most folks get only mild symptoms and recover fully ? This doesn't seem logical to me. Could somebody shed some light on this ?
There is always an immune response. Even with people whose immune system is so suppressed as to be useless, the body always tries to fight back. The effectiveness of the body's defence depends on many factors, many of which are particular to a given individual (individual's idiosyncrasy is the medical term)—age, diet, genetics, environmental factors, emotional state (this is why I keep insisting you shouldn't panick: fear is a major immunosuppressor!!), &c., &c.

If someone's life force is already taxed from other maladies, then the body's response is like that of an overcrowded ER with no more beds nor meds: nosedive for the worse.
 
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bnichols23

Lifer
Mar 13, 2018
4,131
9,558
SC Piedmont
Yep. Like it or not, this is a numbers game. The economy is going to take a hit. It was already headed that way without the pandemic. Two bond curve inversions in the past two years pointed to a vote of no confidence by investors on long term prospects.
The shutdown is numbers driven. How much economic pain versus how many fatalities. Everyone has an opinion on this, and we all know what opinions, including mine, are like.
Troo trufe that, Jesse. Too many wise-apples out there who think their gut gives them a solid bead, leading to false sense of security. Bad decisions were sending us down a tenuous path to start. Actual economic conditions due to CV can only make it worse.
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,175
16,556
My version would be this:

1. The "mainstream" corporate media cartel and social media are full of hype, bullshit and hysteria.
2. Politicians are generally spineless opportunists...who are only front men and women for those higher up the food-chain who own them.
3. We are being told that without taking certain (economically devastating) measures (that will likely ruin and/or kill hundreds of thousands of Americans), this virus might kill hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Upon further reflection, for the sake of accuracy, I must make a revision to my #3:

3. We are being told that without taking certain (economically devastating) measures (that will likely ruin, and possibly even kill, millions of Americans), this virus might kill hundreds of thousands of Americans.
 
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Akousticplyr

Lifer
Oct 12, 2019
1,155
5,715
Florida Panhandle
Absolutely spot on. We've talked about "virtual" offices for 20 years, but for the most part this hasn't happened. But I'm already seeing this begin to take shape in my industry.
Warners ordered us to bug out on Monday. We took our workstations home and set up with VPN to access our servers, and with several different applications to handle email and other communications.
Today I saw an announcement from another animation studio looking to staff new productions remotely. They''re not closing their doors, they're adapting.

As another ripple effect of all the new telecommuters- webcams are now sold out everywhere. Those still for sale are being price gouged (of course).
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
17,089
32,090
46
In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
Gotta throw this in here. There is NO population problem, period. Look at the American west, look around you. There is a population problem in cities where people CHOOSE to live directly on top of each other.

We need the population we have plus more, to keep the money and sales flowing. That goes for any product or service you can think of.

If we keep on with this myth about the population, we will soon be a nation of pandas who refuse to reproduce and more forward as a species.
and our resource problem isn't too many people it's too many inefficencies we for example grow more food then we need, however it isn't getting where it needs to be. Same thing with housing in most places, we have decent houses people aren't able to live in. Half the world goes bye bye and the problem doesn't improve it gets even worse.
 

Akousticplyr

Lifer
Oct 12, 2019
1,155
5,715
Florida Panhandle
I think our Brit colleagues had the right idea all along:

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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,264
30,365
Carmel Valley, CA
<< Snipped bits out >>

The vast majority of Americans have little to no savings or self sufficiency of any kind. There are already huge lines waiting to get into stores everywhere and the inventories are massively depleted. Many necessary items cannot even be found online right now.
<< Snipped bits out >>

No savings or self sufficiency- the vast majority? I hope to high heaven that's not true, but I fear it is. Your or anyone have stats handy?

There are not huge lines everywhere, nor are stores massively depleted. That's where I live. Any you?

One more reason it's "a good thing" to have your approximate locale in the profile.
 

Richmond B. Funkenhouser

Plebeian Supertaster
Dec 6, 2019
5,357
24,450
Dixieland

There is a link within the article to a survey done by bankrate.


From my experience over the years of doing business in a high poverty county, I belive most families dont have enough wealth to cover a toothache.


No savings or self sufficiency- the vast majority? I hope to high heaven that's not true, but I fear it is. Your or anyone have stats handy?
 
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Upon further reflection, for the sake of accuracy, I must make a revision to my #3:

3. We are being told that without taking certain (economically devastating) measures (that will likely ruin, and possibly even kill, millions of Americans), this virus might kill hundreds of thousands of Americans.

At this point there is no doubt the cure is worse than the disease.

For now I'm still optimistic enough that this will all be forgotten in a year or two, things seem crazy because we're dealing with some new factors of social media enhancing the chaos (fear mongering), but people should learn from this event and next time we'll be both more prepared and less willing to destroy everything in the reaction.
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,175
16,556
No savings or self sufficiency- the vast majority? I hope to high heaven that's not true, but I fear it is. Your or anyone have stats handy?

If you don't count something like 401K's, but simply readily available savings or checking accounts, there is very little below the top 19% based on everything I know about it.

Of the bottom 81% of Americans:

52% is considered "middle class" with a median income of $78,442 in 2016.

The bottom 29% had a median income of $25,624 in 2016.

Household debt is massive...and as for "self sufficiency" everything is ok as long as the paychecks keep coming in and the grocery stores are stocked. Take away either or both of those things for a large enough percentage of people and you've got a really serious problem.


There are not huge lines everywhere, nor are stores massively depleted. That's where I live. Any you?

There is a Walmart 1.5 miles from my home in the AZ town I live in...about 20 miles outside the Phoenix metro area...and a friend was there early this morning. She showed me the pics she took on her cell phone of a very long line outside...and they were only allowing relatively small groups of people to go in at a time. I do not shop there but she said when she was there a few days ago the entire store was anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of its typical inventory.

That particular Walmart has always been open 24 hours, but now open 12 hours per day...many of the "big box" stores have cut their hours because they simply do not have the inventory.

She then went to the Frys grocery store here and there was no line there but the store was about 1/3 empty compared to normal which I can verify personally because I just got back from there myself less than an hour ago. No paper goods at all which has been the case for about 3 weeks now, no eggs, almost no meat, canned goods about 1/2 the normal volume, no hand soap, and even the dog food was less than half of normal stock.

When she was there she asked about the situation and was told they have not been getting their regular deliveries and their warehouse is severely depleted.

I have also seen numerous reports online of all of the above including the long lines from various locations.
 
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