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Zeno Marx

Starting to Get Obsessed
Oct 10, 2022
295
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There is no such thing as gouging on non-essential, luxe goods. There buyer determines fair pricing, not the seller. If you think the price is too high, don’t buy it. After all, you don’t need it, you just want it. Those are two very different things.
I've bought records since I was a kid. They were the first thing I spent my own money on. I've never been a collector, but if you do anything long enough, and dedicated enough, you inevitably end up with things worth money. I once got into a heated argument with a retired record shop owner about value. This record is worth X. That record is worth Y. They told me I was wrong. Something is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it, AND until you have money in hand, it isn't worth a penny. Common sense, but I was thinking from a different perspective. You get want lists/sale lists, and there's the price. I thought it was a definitive thing. I think a lot of people think like that. Until someone agrees with the value you placed on it, and then pays you for it at that value, it's entirely an arbitrary abstraction, even if you think you have all this precedent behind your price. It's all a dream until someone makes it reality. This person was right. I was wrong. It's one of those lessons that is common sense, but simultaneously a little counter-intuitive. Collecting things is a weird thing...and I've been doing it my entire life. Still makes little sense to me.
 

Sobrbiker

Lifer
Jan 7, 2023
5,103
69,076
Casa Grande, AZ
I’ve perused the site for entertainment, when it was 2-3 pages. I’ve got no interest in perusing 40+ pages with no search or functional filter…
Question-
So is the commission in addition to winning bid and added with shipping to the buyer’s cost?
 
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greeneyes

Lifer
Jun 5, 2018
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You wouldn't be contacting them because you lost, but to let them know that there was a problem with their system.
A funny thing happened to me as I got older, and remarried. I realized if I'm the only one complaining the problem's probably me ;) Still, can't hurt to check to see if others had the same experience. So far, only me. And if I were a company, I wouldn't hire someone to change the algorithm over the concerns of just one guy.
 

elvishrunes

Can't Leave
Jun 19, 2017
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I've bought records since I was a kid. They were the first thing I spent my own money on. I've never been a collector, but if you do anything long enough, and dedicated enough, you inevitably end up with things worth money. I once got into a heated argument with a retired record shop owner about value. This record is worth X. That record is worth Y. They told me I was wrong. Something is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it, AND until you have money in hand, it isn't worth a penny. Common sense, but I was thinking from a different perspective. You get want lists/sale lists, and there's the price. I thought it was a definitive thing. I think a lot of people think like that. Until someone agrees with the value you placed on it, and then pays you for it at that value, it's entirely an arbitrary abstraction, even if you think you have all this precedent behind your price. It's all a dream until someone makes it reality. This person was right. I was wrong. It's one of those lessons that is common sense, but simultaneously a little counter-intuitive. Collecting things is a weird thing...and I've been doing it my entire life. Still makes little sense to me.

yes what “the market can bear” is what’s worth, not lists. I’ve found there’s two general types of prices listed on stuff, especially resale. Priced to sell, and price gouging from people who want top dollar, but aren’t in a rush. This can make items seem more valuable than they are, but really they aren’t selling…

A number of 150-200$ McClelland tin’s aren’t selling, except the odd frog.
 

Douglas

Can't Leave
Apr 1, 2023
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3,867
Georgia, USA
I’ve perused the site for entertainment, when it was 2-3 pages. I’ve got no interest in perusing 40+ pages with no search or functional filter…
Question-
So is the commission in addition to winning bid and added with shipping to the buyer’s cost?
The commission is deducted from the from the winning bid amount meaning the seller pays it.. The shipping is added to the winning bid and paid by the buyer to reimburse Tinbids who generates the shipping label for the seller.
 
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woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
13,860
26,005
SE PA USA
I've bought records since I was a kid. They were the first thing I spent my own money on. I've never been a collector, but if you do anything long enough, and dedicated enough, you inevitably end up with things worth money. I once got into a heated argument with a retired record shop owner about value. This record is worth X. That record is worth Y. They told me I was wrong. Something is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it, AND until you have money in hand, it isn't worth a penny. Common sense, but I was thinking from a different perspective. You get want lists/sale lists, and there's the price. I thought it was a definitive thing. I think a lot of people think like that. Until someone agrees with the value you placed on it, and then pays you for it at that value, it's entirely an arbitrary abstraction, even if you think you have all this precedent behind your price. It's all a dream until someone makes it reality. This person was right. I was wrong. It's one of those lessons that is common sense, but simultaneously a little counter-intuitive. Collecting things is a weird thing...and I've been doing it my entire life. Still makes little sense to me.
And it can be a hard pill to swallow to find that your closely held, but unfounded, beliefs are entirely wrong. I’ve been there numerous times, fighting it all the way to the precipice. Then, if you’re lucky, the lightbulb pops on and you say “oh…yeah”. It’s called Cognitive Dissonance, and it’s on full display right now among the US electorate. Not trying to make this political (and I’m not taking sides) but there’s plenty to go around on both sides of the aisle, as usual.
 

Zeno Marx

Starting to Get Obsessed
Oct 10, 2022
295
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yes what “the market can bear” is what’s worth, not lists. I’ve found there’s two general types of prices listed on stuff, especially resale. Priced to sell, and price gouging from people who want top dollar, but aren’t in a rush. This can make items seem more valuable than they are, but really they aren’t selling…

A number of 150-200$ McClelland tin’s aren’t selling, except the odd frog.
In this rabid consumer climate, It only takes a couple people to set new precedent. I've waxed poetic about this in the past, so I'll spare everyone that again. Today's market is very fickle, easily influenced, and accepting. In the past, people could live without it, so they held the line. There's no such thing today. Impulses drive our consumption. Gotta have it...and NOW.
 

Zamora

Lifer
Mar 15, 2023
1,140
2,965
Olympia, Washington
Yeah, “community” and standing on principle has nothing to do with this, IMHO. The is no monolithic block of pipe tobacco customers marching arm in arm for truth, justice and equitable pricing. It’s all supply and demand. Sutliff products, at this point in time aren’t in demand, and the market is saturated from all the hoarders pragmatic acquisitions.

Give it five years.
It's going to be really funny seeing people shell out god knows what for 1M
 

Zamora

Lifer
Mar 15, 2023
1,140
2,965
Olympia, Washington
Yes it’s supply and demand. It’s a market. A buyer and seller agree on a price and both are satisfied. People claiming to “ know” or “believe” the worth of a good for sale drive me nuts. Only the market determines price, not some belief.
Exactly, I've always said that things are worth whatever the customer is willing to pay.
 
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BayouGhost

Starting to Get Obsessed
Apr 10, 2024
265
2,973
Louisiana
I think its pricing. I get an out of production blend, but something that will just get re-released again the following year probably doesn't command triple or more price. I'm not going to die if I don't get my hands on this year's magic blend. Its pipe tobacco, not faerie dust.

I plan on assessing my inventory in a couple of years and will probably dump about 5 pounds of tins. I usually buy in pairs and if I don't like a blend, and re-try it later and still don't like it, I don't hope to get more than what I paid back out of it. As for now, the hoard lies untouched, but I may get to a 1 in, 1 out situation. The most I go through is about 15-20 tins per year and I have enough to last me over a decade. I can see myself re-assessing every 5 years or so and selling off what I don't use at cost with a "buy now" option for someone vs. forcing a bidding war and re-stocking with preferred blends.

As for limited releases, I really wish they were restricted to 2 tins for the first 24-hours so more of us could try them. I guess I can live with 5 per and try to get lucky. By the time I get off work and get around to some free time to look, they are all wiped out on some occasions. However, I just choose to pretend that they don't exist for another year rather than paying a premium. I have plenty of blends in the cellar to get me by.
 

spike

Starting to Get Obsessed
Oct 21, 2009
197
453
Not buying things at double the price and letting people think about their prior decisions for a bit. But like I said, eventually they will get what they want.

I get your point but if those who missed out on the hoarde (non buyers at twice the price) are to wait five years, then that's when the real gouging occurs.

I think it's fair to understand supply and demand and not agree with the inflated valuation. That's why I'm not buying that shite.
Neither am I. Those are our individual choices.

Thanks.
 

SSGT.

Can't Leave
Jul 7, 2024
393
2,172
Sealy Texas
Nothing against Tin bids but in my opinion the ones paying the outrageous prices are just as crazier than the ones asking them. But if you like what you're buying and willing to pay it more power to ya.
 
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