Thoughts on Smoking Indoors

[warren]

I wouldn't expect another person accommodate my smoking on/in his property. That just seems presumptuous. Were it allowed I'd never smoke in an eatery be it "greasy spoon" or "haute cuisine." Again so presumptuous of the smoker. If a bar allowed smoking, I'd probably light up but, it'd be a cigarette as the place would, most likely, be too smokey to enjoy a blend. Smoking in a tobacconists shop? Entirely up to the owner if local laws permit.'

 

[MidnightPuff]

I only smoke indoors if it's too cold outside. It's too damn pretty out there not to take it all in while enjoying a blend you love. I mostly smoke at night to avoid car sounds, just me and the trees.

 

[Milleniumsmoker]

I only smoke indoors if it's too cold outside. It's too damn pretty out there not to take it all in while enjoying a blend you love. I mostly smoke at night to avoid car sounds, just me and the trees.

I agree with that sentiment, I'm living in a city now and it's just not enticing to go down the elevator and out into the public area to smoke, there's way to many people out there to enjoy a nice bowl. Before I lived in the country and I was outside enjoying 3-4 bowls a day throughout 12 months barring rain or heavy snow

 

[kcghost]

I guess they have me a little gun shy on this issue. I'd prefer a room to be designated as the smoking room than to mingle everyone together. It is good to avoid those who smell with their eyes.

 

[Sweet Home Alabama]

I remember in-laws smoking. Every article of clothing the entire family wore smelled like cigarette smoke.

People who smoke get more breaks...LOL!!

 

[SBC]

On my understandings of (a) the civil magistrate's jurisdiction, and (b) the degree of certainty we do and do not have regarding the danger of second-hand smoke, it's difficult to see how such laws are the civil government's prerogative.

And if this doesn't fall within the government's jurisdiction, then I say let the market drive a business owner's decisions.
Public opinion on smoking has shifted. The economic reality is that most establishments would have banned smoking by now of their own volition, because the lack of a ban loses more business than it gains, and the ban gains more business than it loses.

I myself dislike the smell of others' cigarettes. 9x out of 10, I'd choose a place where folks weren't smoking cigarettes.

A few business owners would realize that most customers don't mind the presence of pipe smoke, and allow for that in particular.

(P.S. If legislators are now interested in telling owners how to run their businesses in the interest of protecting people from the obnoxious habits of others in public, then I do hope that they turn next to Red Hat Society trivia nights being held in restaurants on Valentine's Day... I have formed an opinion on such things after yesterday...)

 

[Epip Oc'Cabot]

I have to admit that I think it would be delightful to travel back in time for a few weeks to the 1950s - 1970s to relive the “smoke anywhere, anytime you please” mentality of those times….. especially at my age now as a grey bearded curmudgeon.

Yet, in the current time, smoking my pipes outdoors or at home feels more appropriate. I would dislike smoking to be the norm in restaurants these days, but in many ways I think smoking in “non-food serving” bars would be appropriate in the modern era.

In my opinion, I believe that a sizable amount of the dismay/dislike of smoking indoors is very much related to the lower rates of ventilation in indoor spaces that began especially in the late 70s and early 80s which saw houses and other buildings become much “tighter” in terms of air exchange/flow to improve energy efficiency. Prior to these energy conserving measures, smoking indoors seemed less likely to rile folks up as much.

 

[FurCoat]

On my understandings of (a) the civil magistrate's jurisdiction, and (b) the degree of certainty we do and do not have regarding the danger of second-hand smoke, it's difficult to see how such laws are the civil government's prerogative.

And if this doesn't fall within the government's jurisdiction, then I say let the market drive a business owner's decisions.
Public opinion on smoking has shifted. The economic reality is that most establishments would have banned smoking by now of their own volition, because the lack of a ban loses more business than it gains, and the ban gains more business than it loses.

I myself dislike the smell of others' cigarettes. 9x out of 10, I'd choose a place where folks weren't smoking cigarettes.

A few business owners would realize that most customers don't mind the presence of pipe smoke, and allow for that in particular.

(P.S. If legislators are now interested in telling owners how to run their businesses in the interest of protecting people from the obnoxious habits of others in public, then I do hope that they turn next to Red Hat Society trivia nights being held in restaurants on Valentine's Day... I have formed an opinion on such things after yesterday...)

I agree

 

[Milleniumsmoker]

I would also add there's a ton of walking here. Like everyone walks, even heavy smokers. Men and women smoke all over the place. I wonder if that lowers the mortality rate and maybe that's why smoking isn't seen as such a big issue indoors and outdoors (coupled with the ventilation)?

It's actually interesting when you consider it. We don't really have that kind of statistical data back home in the USA. I'm not sure how many people smoke in Europe. But from my experience, most smokers in the USA don't walk around that much. And when I mean walk a lot I mean it's pretty typical to walk 20-30 minutes to work and walk all over the place or bike after work or on the weekends. When I was smoking in the USA, I rode my truck around all over the place lol.

I did a free mortality test online and it showed with daily smoking and even high blood pressure, statistically death occurs around age 79. Granted that's with an insurance company and maybe they just want everyone to think they will live a long time so they can push retirement products on them, but I have seen other sources list daily exercise as almost (not totally) countering the effects of smoking as long as you have a low weight.

To come back around from my tangent, maybe the combination of eating better and walking might make smoking less of an issue, so maybe more people do it. I don't know, I'm just rambling here. Take it for what it is.

Perhaps I'm just trying to find (maybe in vain) some data to help ease the worry of smoking damage I might be doing to myself...

 

[shane1]

I do not smoke in the house out of respect for my wife. Times certainly have changed though. When I was a kid, everyone smoked cigarettes, everywhere. There were practically no restrictions and there were cigarette vending machines everywhere. I remember riding in the car on long trips with my parents in the front smoking and my older brother was in the back with me smoking……all with the windows up. As a kid, I would crave cigarettes after a meal. I never took up smoking cigarettes and I think it is because of the lack of concern people had for non-smokers.

 

[chopper]

In my youth one could smoke just about anywhere including patients in a hospital bed.

When a local RSL club turned 1/4 of their dining area to non-smoking, it was divided by a big glass wall.
Even when the smoking area was full, the non-smoking area was basically empty.
People would stand and wait for a table in the smoking area.

Same with trains where the smoking carriages always filled before the non-smoking [despite this, whining miserable bastards would get on a smoking carriage just so they could whine and moan about 2nd-hand smoke]

It goes to show that the laws were to satisfy the vocal minority of miserable whingers rather than the majority.

Me, I smoke indoors except when kids are present.

 

[edger]

I think you should be able to smoke in any tobacconist shop. I'd also allow smoking in bars, giving the bar the option of whether or not it wanted to allow it. As to smoking in restaurants, if they have a separate room for smoking I'd allow it in the smoking room.

Here in Az, a few years ago this became an issue. Interestingly, the bar and restaurant owners, instead of seeing this as a "freedom" issue, voted for no smoking. It turned out that letting the state decide got them off the hook with pissing off some portion of their loyal customers. They chose to "blame" the state, rather than take a stand. Sad.

 

[exbenedict]

In an indoor space it's not fair to smoke where non smokers are.
Do it outdoors or at home.
Let's be gentlemen about it.

That's my take as well. I'll smoke outside all day long but I always move away from large groups, and I only smoke indoors at home when I know it's not going to bother anyone.

 

[sandollars]

I can't stand the smell of cigarettes. I love the smell of pipe tobacco. Cigars are somewhere in between.

Unfortunately, most people smoke cigarettes so I am happy that indoor smoking is banned where I live. I have my man cave in which to smoke otherwise I am outdoors.

 

[giacomo]

Like many who have posted I remember the days when everyone smoked, everywhere, including my parents, who smoked cigarettes in the car with a window cracked open just a little. Long trips were miserable, and I never took up cigarette smoking, no surprise. I smoke outside, because I enjoy it, but also because I don't want my wife setting fire to the bed when I'm asleep.

 

[sandollars]

No smoking indoors for me, never .
Not in the house, trains, bars, restaurants, smoking lounges etc. etc.

Vegas casinos?

 

[sandollars]

People who smoke get more breaks...LOL!!

IMO, People who smoke TAKE more breaks! LOL!

 

[rorrer]

I smoke inside occasionally in my own home, but almost never in others' homes. It feels sort of awkward to ask these days. Seems like I'm smoking about 95% outdoors, often when working in the yard. Binging my pipe along when hiking is one of my favorites.

C.Rorrer

 

[orlandofurioso]

Vegas casinos?

I'm situated in the Netherlands, overhere Vegas casinos are not thick on the ground

 

[Bacco and Bacon]

Many of us are old enough to remember when bars were filled with cigarette smoke.

As a non smoker, the greater part of a hangover was from breathing in second hand smoke. Even a short stop for a beer after work would result in one’s clothes being saturated with stale smoke and there was no escaping it.

I’m all for the no smoking indoors laws. I can’t stand the smell of cigarettes.

I see your from Vietnam and I understand. It’s cultural to smoke and long considered bad manners not to accept and immediately smoke an offered cigarette. I wonder if that has changed?

Welcome to the forum, M.

I wonder if people were smoking pipe tobacco instead of cigarettes, if the smell of stale smoke on the clothes would be the same or as bad.