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Winnipeger

Lifer
Sep 9, 2022
1,288
9,699
Winnipeg
I’m skeptical at best, when I’m not downright cynical.
Me too.

I don’t argue with either science or religion
Me neither. There's no reason they need to be mutually exclusive though. Why can't we strive to improve the human condition in the profane here and now, while also seeking after God's good grace?

...we Christians have a better heavenly reward than merely stopping man made climate change.
If we could hypothetically mitigate an impending catastrophe, would belief in the afterlife be a justifiable argument against acting?

Of course, it seems obvious to me that the fate of humanity is not in humanity's hands. We're like 8 billion water droplets falling from a high cliff on our way out to sea. We look around, and we can clearly observe that we're falling; we see the ocean rising up to meet us, but gravity is inexorable. Such is fate. For what it's worth, I don't believe "climate change" is likely to be wisely or effectively managed or mitigated by mere humans, but I also can't see any reason to doubt it's happening.

Wouldn’t it be awful if the world was entirely convinced the world was warming , and instead we had another ice age?
That's an entirely plausible scenario.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,569
15,715
Humansville Missouri
If anyone doesn't think there are billions of cavillations out there just waiting to find a back water shit hole like the earth is dreaming.

I agree with George, first contact will be a race like the Borg and then we are totally screwed. Let's not forget if a meteorite the size of Manhattan hits us it will sterilize the planet. If anyone does not see the need for a robust NASA and all the other space agencies then keep your head in the sand and your butt in the air for your anal probing by aliens.
I must agree we need a stern and capable space force!

Just think how useful all the climate scientists might be, devising evil ways for us to cause warming on other worlds.

Somewhere in the vastness of space right this minute, an evil intergalactic despot might be having her minions report to her on our defenses.

If all our world could unite together and treat each other as brothers and sisters, and comrades in arms, then we’d need an effective cold fusion generator to power our star battle cruisers.

And since all the big airplanes today are controlled in English we’d have to teach every tongue to speak it, for command unity.

But to paraphrase Churchill the present world is like a fat cow, tied up for slaughter.

We spend our time hating each other, when we ought to be preparing for the final battle in the heavens above.
 

cosmicfolklore

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Staff member
Aug 9, 2013
35,953
85,641
Between the Heart of Alabama and Hot Springs NC
I just hate that science stuff gets politicized. It only makes sense that if we are going to err, that it would make the most sense to err on the side of caution. We only have one planet, one environment, and it only makes sense to keep it clean. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that Nixon headed up the push to clean up the air and environment. So, some fuel billionaires take a dip on the stock exchange. Boo hoo.
 

Winnipeger

Lifer
Sep 9, 2022
1,288
9,699
Winnipeg
I just hate that science stuff gets politicized. It only makes sense that if we are going to err, that it would make the most sense to err on the side of caution. We only have one planet, one environment, and it only makes sense to keep it clean. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that Nixon headed up the push to clean up the air and environment. So, some fuel billionaires take a dip on the stock exchange. Boo hoo.
One hundred percent.
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
5,569
15,715
Humansville Missouri
I just hate that science stuff gets politicized. It only makes sense that if we are going to err, that it would make the most sense to err on the side of caution. We only have one planet, one environment, and it only makes sense to keep it clean. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that Nixon headed up the push to clean up the air and environment. So, some fuel billionaires take a dip on the stock exchange. Boo hoo.
The near total elimination of fossil fuels will be one of the greatest blessings science has ever bestowed on the human race, so long as the new alternative fuel is better and cheaper than what is used today in Humansville.


Until it’s better and cheaper it’s not a viable alternative.
 
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woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
13,472
24,224
SE PA USA
I believe Monty Python said it best, and I quote, "And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!"

Oddly enough, the whole song is germane to this thread. The lyrics to "The Galaxy Song" are quoted below for reference.

spoken)
Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown,
And things seem hard or tough,
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,
(sung)
And you feel that you've had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough,

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at 900 miles an hour.
It's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned,
The sun that is the source of all our power.
Now the sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
Are moving at a million miles a day,
In the outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour,
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars;
It's a hundred thousand light-years side to side;
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick,
But out by us it's just three thousand light-years wide.
We're thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point,
We go 'round every two hundred million years;
And our galaxy itself is one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

(waltz)

Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can whiz;
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
Eric Idle wrote the song. Whistling by Neil Innes
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,317
17,079
I just hate that science stuff gets politicized. It only makes sense that if we are going to err, that it would make the most sense to err on the side of caution. We only have one planet, one environment, and it only makes sense to keep it clean. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that Nixon headed up the push to clean up the air and environment. So, some fuel billionaires take a dip on the stock exchange. Boo hoo.
There are genuine environmental/ecological issues that need to be addressed...but it's all been hijacked by the CO2 control utter nonsense.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
17,237
32,355
46
In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
Every human alive today would fit into a building slightly over one cubic kilometer in volume.

Meaning, unless you knew exactly when and where to look down and used binoculars, the BHE (building holding everyone) couldn't even be seen if you flew over it in a commercial airliner at cruising altitude.

That's how insignificant humans are in relation to Nature.

We THINK we're all that, but...

Dinosaurs grew to the size of Boeing 737's and populated the Earth for a thousand times longer than H. sapiens has been around, and if it weren't for a persistently curious guy in the mid-1800's who was fascinated by some weird rocks in a riverbed, we would still be unaware they ever existed.

And Earth has 80% of its lifespan yet to go. (meaning until the Sun burns out)

Nah. We're not All That. We're just little beasties scratching away on a ball of rock. And there's only a cubic kilometer of us in a Universe that has 200 billion trillion stars, the nearest of which would take 3,600 years to reach in a spaceship going a million miles an hour.
I heard a guy that studies insects joke that the aliens probably already landed and when they looked at the planet they correctly assumed that ants are the dominant life form.
 

simong

Lifer
Oct 13, 2015
2,749
16,664
UK
I get that Simon, (the book The Seven Daughters of Eve by Brian Sykes is well worth reading), I meant our man from Humansville mentions the first person without mentioning the person that gave birth to the first person!

Regards,

Jay.
Ah, gotcha! Can't help you with that one though. Haven't a clue who she was..... But I'll bet she was a goer! Lol
 

georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
6,277
17,553
Just so's you guys all know. I am going to claw, scratch, and climb my way to the top of the people cube. I really don't want to be at the bottom of that thing. puffy

Which reminds me of a mystery that's commonly seen in central California at certain times of the year.

18-wheeler tomato hauler trucks. They're trailer-length half tubes with short vertical walls that can be tipped sideways for easy unloading.

We're talking many tons of tomatoes, here, in each trailer. And they're getting highway-jostled for hours after having been dumped in like coal, and they get dumped out like coal.

And through it all they DON'T get smushed.

So, I checked it out.

Sure enough, they've been genetically modified to withstand all that.

However... the same modification also causes them to never really ripen.

They can, however, be made to LOOK ripe by marinating them in warehouses filled with ethylene gas.

In short, you HAVEN'T been imagining it. The tomatoes you ate as a kid WERE better. You're not just getting picky as you get older like your wife says.

rotf


 

mingc

Lifer
Jun 20, 2019
4,347
12,814
The Big Rock Candy Mountains
Which reminds me of a mystery that's commonly seen in central California at certain times of the year.

18-wheeler tomato hauler trucks. They're trailer-length half tubes with short vertical walls that can be tipped sideways for easy unloading.

We're talking many tons of tomatoes, here, in each trailer. And they're getting highway-jostled for hours after having been dumped in like coal, and they get dumped out like coal.

And through it all they DON'T get smushed.

So, I checked it out.

Sure enough, they've been genetically modified to withstand all that.

However... the same modification also causes them to never really ripen.

They can, however, be made to LOOK ripe by marinating them in warehouses filled with ethylene gas.

In short, you HAVEN'T been imagining it. The tomatoes you ate as a kid WERE better. You're not just getting picky as you get older like your wife says.

rotf


And in other news, heirloom tomatoes are $4.99/lb!
 

georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
6,277
17,553
And in other news, heirloom tomatoes are $4.99/lb!

Right?

And the near-softball-size that heirlooms typically get weigh about two pounds each.

Ten dollar tomatoes... Holy shit. :cry:

Thirty years ago I lived in Ohio across the street from a family farm that set up a roadside stand every year at harvest time. Corn and tomatoes. Hauled in from the field on a flatbed pulled by an old-school bigwheel tractor every hour or so, and sold to the drive-by public directly OFF the trailer.

Both were still damp with clingy bits of mud.

Remember paper grocery bags? The big standard size ones? Both the corn and the tomatoes were a dollar a bag. A FULL bag. You'd fill the bags yourself, give the lady a couple bucks, and walk away. My wife and I would go back across the street to a fantastic dinner of nothing but boiled corn and sliced raw tomatoes.

About a year ago I thought to look down on that spot with the GoogleSkyEye.

The farm is now a shopping center.
 
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mingc

Lifer
Jun 20, 2019
4,347
12,814
The Big Rock Candy Mountains
Right?

And the near-softball-size that heirlooms typically get weigh about two pounds each.

Ten dollar tomatoes... Holy shit. :cry:

Thirty years ago I lived in Ohio across the street from a family farm that set up a roadside stand every year at harvest time. Corn and tomatoes. Hauled in from the field on a flatbed pulled by an old-school bigwheel tractor every hour or so, and sold to the drive-by public directly OFF the trailer.

Both were still damp with clingy bits of mud.

Remember paper grocery bags? The big standard size ones? Both the corn and the tomatoes were a dollar a bag. A FULL bag. You'd fill the bags yourself, give the lady a couple bucks, and walk away. My wife and I would go back across the street to a fantastic dinner of nothing but boiled corn and sliced raw tomatoes.

About a year ago I thought to look down on that spot with the GoogleSkyEye.

The farm is now a shopping center.
I actually bought more than $10 of heirloom tomatoes a couple of weeks ago. $25 for a tin of tobacco doesn't sound too bad in comparison!

I remember the honor system farm stands from our country drives when we lived in Chicago. Take what you want and leave your money in the tub. Best sweet corn ever.

Paper grocery bags are now all you get in Oregon. Disposable plastic bags are illegal. You can bring your own bags or pay 5¢ for a paper bag. The paper industry lobbyist did a better job than the plastic industry lobbyist
 
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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,266
30,403
Carmel Valley, CA
Every human alive today would fit into a building slightly over one cubic kilometer in volume.

Meaning, unless you knew exactly when and where to look down and used binoculars, the BHE (building holding everyone) couldn't even be seen if you flew over it in a commercial airliner at cruising altitude.
Would they (we!) have to be puree'd in order to fit?
<< Snipped bits out >>

Nah. We're not All That. We're just little beasties scratching away on a ball of rock. And there's only a cubic kilometer of us in a Universe that has 200 billion trillion stars, the nearest of which would take 3,600 years to reach in a spaceship going a million miles an hour.
A bit of hyperbole on distances? The nearest star is ca. 93,000,000 miles away.
There may be more galaxies than 200 billion trillion! I posit the universe is infinite. Why not?
 

georged

Lifer
Mar 7, 2013
6,277
17,553
Would they (we!) have to be puree'd in order to fit?

Asked and aswered.

Go back to the first response to the original post, and its reply.


A bit of hyperbole on distances? The nearest star is ca. 93,000,000 miles away.
There may be more galaxies than 200 billion trillion! I posit the universe is infinite. Why not?

No exaggeration at all.

btw, 93 million miles would only get you to Mars.

Proxima Centauri---Sol's nearest star---is about 25 trillion miles away.

The galaxy count is accurate.

The observable universe is indeed finite. It's about 93 billion light years across. What lies beyond the "edge" is unknown, though. (Philosophically speaking, if the observable stuff expands into it---which is constantly happening---it "becomes" part of Universe.)
 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,266
30,403
Carmel Valley, CA
Asked and aswered.

Go back to the first response to the original post, and its reply.
Yes.
No exaggeration at all.

btw, 93 million miles would only get you to Mars.
When I was in 4th grade, it'd get you to our sun.
Proxima Centauri---Sol's nearest star---is about 25 trillion miles away.

The galaxy count is accurate.

The observable universe is indeed finite. It's about 93 billion light years across. What lies beyond the "edge" is unknown, though. (Philosophically speaking, if the observable stuff expands into it---which is constantly happening---it "becomes" part of Universe.)
Yes, the observable university is finite. But I was including the un-observable universe- as more of it becomes observed, the numbers will go up, but there still could be an infinite number of unobservable galaxies and hence stars.

It's hard to imagine and infinite amount of anything! But it could be infinite.