On Hipsters

[macaroon]

I am but a humble college student, but I see this whole great big dragged out nonissue (and others like it) like this:
Are the beliefs of a person or group of people causing harm (read: discrimination, physical or psychological harm, alienation or loss of rights, etc.) to another person or group of people?
YES) Well then attention ought to be brought to this injustice so that it can be addressed by the community and governing entity! Let's get to it!

NO) Why worry about it? People are going to act differently than you and have different opinions than you, just as many others may agree with just about everything you say. In this regard, one group is not better than another.
Hipsters may annoy some folks here, but it doesn't appear that they actually cause any real harm to the rest of the pipe smoking community or any other community that I can think of. I've read pretty much the entire thread, and still don't really see what the big deal is. The only thing this thread has clarified for me is that the issue does not lie with Hipsters themselves, but with folks' reactions to them. The same goes for any other group of people that does not inflict any sort of harm, many examples of which have been mentioned throughout the thread.
And it jumped to the third page while I was writing this! Now I'm really impressed. Well, "impressed" may not be the right word, but it'll do.

 

[aldecaker]

Yes, Warren, classifying a group and then critiquing it is a great way to pass the time. Until you you do it over, and over, and over again. Apparently someone here has decided that a bunch of pipe and tobacco guys want their forum hijacked into a "I hate hipsters" forum. You guys might; I do not. I don't know, did some guy get ass-raped by a pipe-smoking lumberjack when he was 12? Well, get some professional help instead of thinking everyone in the world wants to share in your idiotic obsession three times a fucking week on a PIPE SMOKING FORUM of all God-damned things. Check out the interwebs for some like-minded fellow travellers who can concentrate on nothing but hipster-hating. There is no news on this subject; just the same old bubbling crock of shit. We fucking get it- we're just not so obsessed that we enjoy hearing it over and over and over again. Get some new God damned material, or start your own fucking web site.

 

[warren]

I'm always hoping for an interesting twist. Or, better yet! The greatly anticipated "train wreck" is sure to be good fun. I skip the threads I'm not entertained by. This one has some moments of good, clean fun. Especially with The Masters in the background. a big mug of iced tea and bit of War Horse. A fully enjoyable spring Sunday for me, as the light outside is poor, it's windy and rain expected.
As an aside: Where the hell is the Horse plug? I'm getting impatient and testy.

 

[Chasing Embers]

And still no images of nubiles in hip hugging panties...sigh :mrgreen:

 

[mso489]

The booby trap is stereotyping. All of the one-word negative labels I apply to others have substance in truth. None of the labels applied to me have any veracity at all. The underlying genius in hiring employees, or in making friends for that matter, is not in identifying the illusions or weaknesses of others but in picking up on their talents and capabilities. This requires a certain amount of self-confidence, and not everyone has it.

 

[cigrmaster]

My final take on this subject is that putting a label on a sub culture has been done since I was a kid and in my experience most are just a label for the majority to call us something. In my day when all we cared about was sex, drugs and rock and roll, we were considered non violent and harmless. The hippies of the 60's were also non violent( except some of the war protesters i.e the Weathermen) and only looking to get laid for the most part.
The Hipsters of today are also non violent and therefore harmless. As long as a sub culture is non violent then I will never have a problem with them and will respect and defend their right to be different. I really have no idea why anyone would have a problem with hipsters, it makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

[macaroon]

I suppose I have to admit to a bit of cluelessness, then, billkay. The page count observation was a bit of an afterthought, and upon rereading it certainly does come across as a little hypocritical. I'll try to watch myself more closely in the future!

 

[macaroon]

No offense taken, sir! I'm glad to be held accountable for what I say, even unintentionally.

 

[krizzose]

While I certainly have opinions about the various groupings of people that exist in this world, I do try to keep in mind the enormity of that world and the infinitesimal minuteness of my own personal part in it. Therefore, whatever my opinions are, they don't amount to much in the big picture. Whatever the XYZs' preferences are with regard to facial hair, music, sexual partners (consenting adults of course), politics or whether it's OK to put ketchup on a hot dog (it's not), I bet the the XYZs don't give a flying fu(k about what I have to say about it. And thank god for that.
I'm OK, you're OK, so let's trade some tobacco and have a bowl together (just keep that nasty Latakia to yourself, you disgusting deviant).

 

[frozenchurchwarden]

Are the beliefs of a person or group of people causing harm (read: discrimination, physical or psychological harm, alienation or loss of rights, etc.) to another person or group of people?
YES) Well then attention ought to be brought to this injustice so that it can be addressed by the community and governing entity! Let's get to it!

I think seeing a man walk around in skin tight jeans falls into the categories of physical harm to the wearer and psychological harm to the onlooker. Please write your Senator.
(Eagerly anticipating the train wreck.)

 

[warren]

Speak for yourself krizzose! You may be okay. I know I'm at least a half a bubble off. I can't address the others.
I've always been in favor of a law which forbids bicyclists, more than two ounces overweight, from wearing Lycra in public.

 

[deathmetal]

The booby trap is stereotyping.

Might as well attack categorical thinking in general, but at that point, you have to distinguish descriptive (one attribute of many defines a temporary category) from categorical (one attribute defines permanent category).

 

[warren]

Stereotyping is not always bad. It can be a great defense mechanism when used with accumulated knowledge or experience.

 

[username]

What I hear you saying is more of a posers vs people that are really into things. I will say if it wasnt for hipsters my favorite beer would be dead on gone so atleast I owe them that whole drinking PRB "Ironically" kept the brand alive for me to enjoy.

 

[mso489]

'Trouble with stereotyping is we forget how extremely people can surprise us, sometimes for ill, but often for good. Someone who has never shown us a glimmer of thought suddenly leaps to the rescue with intensely fast thinking and bloody heroic bravery. Or someone who looks as observant as a post reaches out with nuanced empathy. Then in our own minds, we just bluff and blunder and pretend we suspected as much all the time. Just remember ... no we didn't.

 

[deathmetal]

What I hear you saying is more of a posers vs people that are really into things.

Yes, which is why someone having a beard/etc is not enough to on its own call them a hipster.

Stereotyping is not always bad. It can be a great defense mechanism when used with accumulated knowledge or experience.

Hmm... that's a good point.

Someone who has never shown us a glimmer of thought suddenly leaps to the rescue with intensely fast thinking and bloody heroic bravery. Or someone who looks as observant as a post reaches out with nuanced empathy.

People definitely hide behind fronts. Some are defensive like the ones you mention above. It's part of that isolation of the modern condition and all that.

 

[warren]

mso: I do not fit your stereotype. Your use of "we" is too inclusive as I and, I suspect, many others would readily admit to being surprised to a person whose actions warranted such recognition. I'm not being argumentative, or at least trying not to be, I simply resent being included.
I always tried to recognize exemplary behavior and did not mask my surprise. This was particularly true when a young copper would perform beyond his/her years. I learned early on that co-workers and subordinates reveled in surprising others, particularly their elders, with their "above expectations" behavior.
I valued the honesty and integrity of my superiors and my subordinates. I wouldn't "shine them on" as it were as that would detract from their enjoyment of the situation.

 

[deathmetal]

Honesty is always the best policy. Well, that and Burley.

 

[mayfair70]

Boring !! All this time you guys could have been talking about something interesting, Like NERDS !!

I seriously can't judge a book by its cover. If anyone thinks they can, they are lying to themselves.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

This is all distracting us from the REAL enemy... YouTube! Ha ha!