NYC Mayor Proposing Law to "Conceal" Tobacco Products in Stores
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This is the first domino, if this goes through in NYC, it will spread far and wide! First, you can't show tobacco products to the precious children, next, you won't be able to smoke anywhere children can possibly see this evil act. The herd want to be told what to do and what is good for them, Independece is fading from our culture.
I was being sarcastic. The totally ridiculous nature of my comment was supposed to imply that. The internet is not very good at conveying this. Or perhaps the sad thing is that there are people who would honestly endorse the logic of those two sentences.
All this reminds me of when I was a teenager and young adult -- in those days they hid condoms (then called "rubbers") behind the counter, and you had to sidle up to the clerk, look around furtively, and whisper "gimmee a rubber." Will we have to do that with pipes and tobacco in the big apple?
On the good news side, the courts have already shot down Big Brother's attempt to limit the size of soft drinks.
Who will save us from the government's attempts to save us from ourselves?
On the good news side, the courts have already shot down Big Brother's attempt to limit the size of soft drinks.
Who will save us from the government's attempts to save us from ourselves?
4dot the only reason it was shot down was because it's application was arbitrary. For example it doesn't apply to 7-11's. Once they get that straightened out it won't be shot down.
This is what Bloomberg has planned next:
State Approved Haircuts
This is what Bloomberg has planned next:
State Approved Haircuts
It wonderful to bash someone but I'll bet that not more than one of you bashers is even familiar with NYC, let alone what Bloomberg has done.
As Mayor of New York City since 2002, Mike Bloomberg has brought change and reform in ways most New Yorkers could never have imagined.
Through hundreds of bold, innovative programs, policies and initiatives, Mike has made New York City a better, cleaner, safer place to work, live, and raise a family. Just a few of his accomplishments include:
Taking control of the City's schools and launching dramatic reforms that have resulted in higher test scores, lower dropout rates and better teachers
Continuously reducing crime and keeping New York Safe
Overhauling the way the City sees and serves its customers (its 8.4 million residents) through the creation of 311
Diversifying the city’s economy
Creating hundreds of new acres of parks
Reducing the welfare rolls
Banning smoking in public places
Making affordable health insurance available to over one million more New Yorkers
Stabilizing the City’s budget and fiscal outlook
Launching the nation’s largest municipal affordable housing program
Devoting 1,000 of the NYPD’s best officers to counter-terrorism efforts
Rebuilding the City’s infrastructure through the extension of the 7 train
Overseeing the construction of the third water tunnel
Nobody bats 1,000. Doesn't sound like a bad run to me.
I might also add the he gives $350,000,000 a year to Johns Hopkins University. That figure, kept quiet even as it transformed every corner of the university, makes Mr. Bloomberg the most generous living donor to any education institution in the United States, according to university officials and philanthropic tallies.
Rich
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As Mayor of New York City since 2002, Mike Bloomberg has brought change and reform in ways most New Yorkers could never have imagined.
Through hundreds of bold, innovative programs, policies and initiatives, Mike has made New York City a better, cleaner, safer place to work, live, and raise a family. Just a few of his accomplishments include:
Taking control of the City's schools and launching dramatic reforms that have resulted in higher test scores, lower dropout rates and better teachers
Continuously reducing crime and keeping New York Safe
Overhauling the way the City sees and serves its customers (its 8.4 million residents) through the creation of 311
Diversifying the city’s economy
Creating hundreds of new acres of parks
Reducing the welfare rolls
Banning smoking in public places
Making affordable health insurance available to over one million more New Yorkers
Stabilizing the City’s budget and fiscal outlook
Launching the nation’s largest municipal affordable housing program
Devoting 1,000 of the NYPD’s best officers to counter-terrorism efforts
Rebuilding the City’s infrastructure through the extension of the 7 train
Overseeing the construction of the third water tunnel
Nobody bats 1,000. Doesn't sound like a bad run to me.
I might also add the he gives $350,000,000 a year to Johns Hopkins University. That figure, kept quiet even as it transformed every corner of the university, makes Mr. Bloomberg the most generous living donor to any education institution in the United States, according to university officials and philanthropic tallies.
Rich
4noggins.com
You make some good points Rich. I have never lived in NYC, only visited, but the city seems strange, like it's in the process of imploding or something. Times Square looks like Disneyland. It used to be on the forefront of American culture, but now... I mean, banning large sodas? It's hard to believe something like that could happen. Watch a movie like Mean Streets and the hookers and porno theaters in Times Square almost make you feel nostalgic.
You'd think they have bigger fish to fry. Country's in a mess economically. Manufacturing base has been gutted. Unions are a thing of the past. America's middle class are now Walmart junkies and one paycheck away from foreclosure. TV's a wasteland of reality shows and junkotainment. Kids shooting up schools. And they're worried about tobacco and soda pop!?! Washington's gone mad.
Rich, celebrating the banning of smoking in public places would seem an odd position for a tobacco vendor and presumed enthusiast to take.
You also failed to mention his positions on gun control and his long-running national campaign to bring NYC-city style gun control to the rest of America.
You also failed to mention his positions on gun control and his long-running national campaign to bring NYC-city style gun control to the rest of America.
Rich
As a NY resident, working in NYC and living in the suburbs, I can agree that our current Mayor has done some nice things, although I'm not sure that everything you mentioned can be credited to him, or at least him only.
To my mind, our former Mayor Giuliani did far more to clean up our streets than our current one.
Not to argue those points, his views on deciding how we should live and what we should eat, smoke and drink go way past his elected duties. We should be free to chose what and how much we eat etc.
To me, the logical way to handle those issues is with education; his efforts are clearly Draconian in measure and really infringe upon the rights that are guaranteed (or that we used to be guaranteed)
As a licensed gun owner, I have felt the wrath of his honor in trying to remove my right to carry a gun in one of the most dangerous cities in the US. Yes there are other cities with higher crime rates, but he absolutely believes that denying gun ownership by legitimate citizens will cause violent crime to be curtailed. At least his actions have indicated such.
If he succeeds, only the felons will have weapons and the rest of the citizenry will be left to fend for themselves in any way they can.
Every three years the gun permit must be examined, and in the thirty plus years that I have one it is getting more and more difficult to renew. The paperwork necessary (totally having nothing to do with a legitimate need of owning a weapon) has daunted many; I persist and will not let it go without a fight.
For those who said that NYC gets what they deserve, well, without getting too political here, the US has elected our fine president again, and his agenda should be clear.
As a NY resident, working in NYC and living in the suburbs, I can agree that our current Mayor has done some nice things, although I'm not sure that everything you mentioned can be credited to him, or at least him only.
To my mind, our former Mayor Giuliani did far more to clean up our streets than our current one.
Not to argue those points, his views on deciding how we should live and what we should eat, smoke and drink go way past his elected duties. We should be free to chose what and how much we eat etc.
To me, the logical way to handle those issues is with education; his efforts are clearly Draconian in measure and really infringe upon the rights that are guaranteed (or that we used to be guaranteed)
As a licensed gun owner, I have felt the wrath of his honor in trying to remove my right to carry a gun in one of the most dangerous cities in the US. Yes there are other cities with higher crime rates, but he absolutely believes that denying gun ownership by legitimate citizens will cause violent crime to be curtailed. At least his actions have indicated such.
If he succeeds, only the felons will have weapons and the rest of the citizenry will be left to fend for themselves in any way they can.
Every three years the gun permit must be examined, and in the thirty plus years that I have one it is getting more and more difficult to renew. The paperwork necessary (totally having nothing to do with a legitimate need of owning a weapon) has daunted many; I persist and will not let it go without a fight.
For those who said that NYC gets what they deserve, well, without getting too political here, the US has elected our fine president again, and his agenda should be clear.
I want to highlight the ...and other tobacco products... part.
Also, what's up with this new-age prohibition BS? Whoever is of age can make up their own mind on whether to smoke or not, and whoever decides to do so gives a crap about stuff being hidden or in open.
Hiding stuff in cabinets like they do here in Ontario is just an added inconvenience ... for the shop owner. I see it all the time: you ask the owner to open the cabinet, a long line forms because he's not behind the cash serving the other customers (law says he has to keep an eye on you - go figure), and people run off because they are in a hurry and won't wait. Really just another way to screw over small business owners like news stands and tobacco stores.
I know you guys bit on the 10%. But remembering the last 4Noggins political stance, I said "no thanks". I had the class to not say that in his thread, but after his post here, I'm saying it here: no thanks. Maybe I stand alone. That's fine. But it doesn't sound like it.
Edit: apologies to Kevin, who I respect and appreciate, and who needs the ad revenue. But I didn't come looking for it - It came to us uninvited. It is what it is. Maybe smart businessmen should post their political opinions under pseudonyms if they don't want to alienate customers.
Edit: apologies to Kevin, who I respect and appreciate, and who needs the ad revenue. But I didn't come looking for it - It came to us uninvited. It is what it is. Maybe smart businessmen should post their political opinions under pseudonyms if they don't want to alienate customers.
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