I will say is that the va hospital is not privately funded.. nor are really any hospitals. I hate smoking anyway.. I dont even know why I'm reading this website. 
No Smoking VA Medical Facilities
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In my humble opinion, this is about restricting “liberties”! The VA is govt property, which means in part no mater how small that part is it’s owned by all who pay taxes. I am a veteran of Desert Storm and served again as a most of the time deployed contractor through most of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, I have a real problem with it. I put my big boy pants on every morning! If I managed to make it through rockets, mortars and being shot at while being the Doberman at the end of the leash of this country’s legislators I should be able to smoke my damn pipe between appointments if I so desire! Sorry.......end of rant
Exactly!!!! Here in Georgia, I can have a firearm in my car on public school campus because my car inside and out is private property! It’s illegal to remove the firearm from the car while on said property. Why the hell cant I smoke my pipe in my car on VA property.......it baffles the mind!
I guess I don't share the outrage about smoking in public especially in a health care facility.
Smoking is not popular and never will be again. If tobacco use were put to a popular vote we would loose. A lot of guys can't even enjoy a pipe in their homes and as I've read some must shower before they have family contact to avoid 3rd hand smoke. ?
Smoking is not popular and never will be again. If tobacco use were put to a popular vote we would loose. A lot of guys can't even enjoy a pipe in their homes and as I've read some must shower before they have family contact to avoid 3rd hand smoke. ?
I feel what you’re sayin but my “outrage” is pointed towards the slow but sure loss of my control of my life. Shall we all be told what time to go to the bathroom? If I want to slowly kill myself with smoking, drinking or using one ply toilet paper, that’s my choice
Absolutely correct! Just do so in the privacy of your own home and do not violate any laws prohibiting suicide. If you do so you should be good to go. You'll be golden, in control of your life even more so than today's fighting personnel who are severely restricted as to where and when they can smoke.
Life can seem unfair and tough when you are living in a society of laws.
the impact on employees is becoming minimal.. as they have not hired a tobacco user in over 10 years.
as far as 'open warfare' where have you been?
Last I heard, the VA has around 30,000 unfilled job openings.
15% of the population smokes. In 2005 20%. Not as much change as some of these guys want you to belive. With the employment rate so high I bet they'll start hiring smokers.. wether they know it or not. If you think that any hospital has actually gone 10 years without hiring a smoker... geeze really. Sometimes I think there are Russians amongst us.
Hiding under a rock. ? In truth I know the public has been this way for decades. I just never knew the military was at it till I started going to the va
Don't assume you'll be left alone in your home. The pernicious nature of control never ends...it is psychotically relentless.
Eventually it'll probably require nicotine testing for home insurance. And some kind of penalties upon selling a home that tobacco has been smoked in.
And certainly it'll eventually be illegal to smoke tobacco in your home if there are children living there.
The social credit score for tobacco users will reflect the lowest dregs of society.
Of course all of this will matter not eventually, because you'll be penalized even more for an evil far worse than tobacco: carbon dioxide. The fees imposed for that privilege will make it unaffordable for most people to live anywhere at some point if the lunatics continue to get their way.
The human race is insane.
I just feel sorry for the trees...they love their carbon dioxide like we love our tobacco. Both targeted by the control freaks.
I said it before I'll say it again...control is the worst and most destructive form of addiction...and those freaks will never get enough of it. Don't look for reason, logic and common sense in any of it...it's not about the tobacco or any other "substance"...it's about the control.
Some of them want to abuse you...some of them want to be abused.
Eventually it'll probably require nicotine testing for home insurance. And some kind of penalties upon selling a home that tobacco has been smoked in.
And certainly it'll eventually be illegal to smoke tobacco in your home if there are children living there.
The social credit score for tobacco users will reflect the lowest dregs of society.
Of course all of this will matter not eventually, because you'll be penalized even more for an evil far worse than tobacco: carbon dioxide. The fees imposed for that privilege will make it unaffordable for most people to live anywhere at some point if the lunatics continue to get their way.
The human race is insane.
I just feel sorry for the trees...they love their carbon dioxide like we love our tobacco. Both targeted by the control freaks.
I said it before I'll say it again...control is the worst and most destructive form of addiction...and those freaks will never get enough of it. Don't look for reason, logic and common sense in any of it...it's not about the tobacco or any other "substance"...it's about the control.
Some of them want to abuse you...some of them want to be abused.
I agree that the standards are ridiculous. If I followed the rules at the hospital I worked at I'd be smoking in the middle of the street.
Surprisingly, I don't think it's the facilities themselves that are making the rules. They are implementing someone else's. I found a requirement for hospital no smoking policies by the Joint Commission On Hospital Accreditation (an endorsement every hospital wants) that states this:
In 1991 the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations (JCAHO) announced tobacco control standards for accredited American hospitals which mandated that they go smoke-free by 31 December 1993. ... This study addresses the first standard, which requires hospital buildings to be smoke-free.
The standards have been tightened since 1993. Now the entire hospital campus is covered. This cat is not going back in the bag.
If the smoker lied on the application and managed to pass all the random testing. Did not arrive smelling of smoke or were not caught on camera lighting up in their car while still on campus. When this was new employees had 2 years to get clean. You knew they were serious when RNs were let go.
As a smoker I wouldn't hire a smoker unless they were exceptionally highly experienced and dependable, per their references and background investigation. I prefer risk averse employees as they are usually better drivers, adhere to rules better and are certainly less likely to take sick time. I never needed an insurance company to point out the obvious either.
I simply cannot think of any reason to hire a smoker these days. I wouldn't need the aggravation
And now the suggestion that smokers will readily commit fraud on their applications. Some will and so, again why not try to screen out the risk takers and liars? Doing so simply makes good fiscal sense. The above quote certainly supports my position I believe.
I simply cannot think of any reason to hire a smoker these days. I wouldn't need the aggravation
And now the suggestion that smokers will readily commit fraud on their applications. Some will and so, again why not try to screen out the risk takers and liars? Doing so simply makes good fiscal sense. The above quote certainly supports my position I believe.
Since I seem to be able to suspend pipe smoking with no habituation problems, I suppose if I needed a job that required a non-smoking statement, I'd do it. Obviously, it would take some deciding -- how badly I needed the job, if the job was worth the intrusion, and if the employer seemed prone to stage-direct many other elements of employee's lives. It is one thing to make a defined accommodation. It is quite another to get in an employment relationship wherein the employer assumes some sort of parental or god role that misshapes ones life in other ways. I survived the workplace mostly having my boundaries respected. Even the military, where your freedoms and choices are most curtailed, offered just enough breathing space, though I spent a lot of my liberty (free time) alone to attain that.
oxygen tents and stuff can be really volatile. Like you said it fuels other things that are on fire and if that's a patient especially one who needs extra oxygen to not die. It's kind of the total whole situation thing. Don't look at pictures of what can happen in those situations. Though you'd be surprised how many people do try to sneak a smoke in those places. And no it doesn't go up like they say but god damn do fires grow fast in that kind of environment and even healthy people don't need a fast growing plastic fire.
My wife calls me "the safety officer" sometimes, but I'm no expert. But I have always heard that many fires are extremely fast. It's sort of like the way fat bears can run. They look like they can barely walk, but they are way faster than any gold medalist human runner, and can run much longer. Both the fire and the bear can get to you in seconds.
every hospital is scared shitless of JACHO for weeks before a scheduled visit everything is gone over with a very fine tooth comb. If they arrive unscheduled there is an underground notification network in place. Hospitals live and die by their ratings particularly management and executives.
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