Nicotine Test for Benefits at Work
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There is no dishonesty here. The employer set a threshold for a moment in time. That threshold was met as laid out in the terms of admission.
It’s not even an argument. The employer set the nicotine requirements and those requirements were met through urine analysis.
It’s not even an argument. The employer set the nicotine requirements and those requirements were met through urine analysis.
The employer is within their power to modify the terms and testing requirements at any time. As the writer of their rules and administrator of compliance, it’s completely under their control to confirm compliance with their intent.
You’re using logic, Mark. You really need to stop doing that.
As a side observation, in the future, they will want to know everything about you (yes, I mean everything) in order to allow you to do anything. Banking, insurance, health care - all services basically - will all be off the table for undesirable behavior. Think I’m being far fetched? Look up China’s Social Credit Score.
We are talking about being honest. Essentially what some are saying that a wife should modify her preferences in advance of a cheating husband. Or, if the bank doesn't want to be robbed they should change the safe combination.
Based on reponses here I suspect the combination, indeed, should be changed. Otherwise the employee might rationalize the employer meant to be robbed.
Based on reponses here I suspect the combination, indeed, should be changed. Otherwise the employee might rationalize the employer meant to be robbed.
No need to complicate this matter. The employer created the rules with a specific intent and purveyed the test scenario to confirm compliance.
This was all done. If they have a different intent for a nicotine threshold, they should modify their rules to match. They have full right to do so for a different result.
This was all done. If they have a different intent for a nicotine threshold, they should modify their rules to match. They have full right to do so for a different result.
I’m not arguing the points made - but, this really has nothing to do with meeting a threshold of nicotine. They are giving you a discount and better insurance because you don’t smoke.
That would not appear to be accurate. It’s a nicotine test with a threshold. Someone chewing nicotine gum would potentially fail out of this plan. Chewing tobacco would potentially fail someone out of this threshold. The test is very specifically about nicotine levels in the urine. It’s literally what their are testing, he even posted the test results.
Hey all, do then right thing. And, if you are fortunate enough to have children, it will be a teaching moment.
I know a guy, who looks a lot like me. He and his wife got a new life insurance program. They also wanted to test for tobacco use. This guy, who looks like me, said he was a non-smoker. He quite the couple-of times per week pipe for three weeks and tested as a non-smoker. His wife, who was worried he would be positive, tested for high cholesterol and had to pay a slightly higher premium. Just the experience of one guy I know.
Are you saying that a guy that looks like you is a non smoker? Good thing he's not a moderator on a pipe forum. ....LOL!!
I'm just curious as to whether that Insurance Company is concerned about whether you drink to excess every night when you go home from work? If not, they must not care about paying for your sclerosis of the liver bills.
Since smoking is "risky" behavior, I'd bet the drinking to excess is factored in along with other risky activities. Smokers are not risk averse so, insurance payments need to cover such behavior. Smokers prefer nonsmokers cover their costs and trust to the detested government (meaning friends and neighbors) to cover cancer costs and such with all of the "medi-" stuff.
I would be fascinated to know how many here actually secured their own coverage and pay for it and not relying on the largess of others. So now we throw the "entitled" mentality into the mix with dishonesty and we can begin to understand different problems around the world, honesty is looked upon as weakness, hard work and looking after one's self is a waste of time. Government, again, your family, friends and neighbors, will make life easier for you by paying their taxes and supporting the selfish and they blithely go through life with nary a concern..
I would be fascinated to know how many here actually secured their own coverage and pay for it and not relying on the largess of others. So now we throw the "entitled" mentality into the mix with dishonesty and we can begin to understand different problems around the world, honesty is looked upon as weakness, hard work and looking after one's self is a waste of time. Government, again, your family, friends and neighbors, will make life easier for you by paying their taxes and supporting the selfish and they blithely go through life with nary a concern..
Well, this guy, the insurance company tells him that he's a non-smoker. So yeah, he probably wouldn't be on a pipe forum period. I only know him because we look similar. Well, I might be slightly better looking. Definitely more charming.