Damn. I want to say so many things, but my ban was just lifted yesterday. IBTL.
New FDA Nicotine Restrictions
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I'm ready for the pearlclutchers to start warning middle schoolers about how $15 cigars are a gateway drug to harder, illegal forms of Nicotine (like Cult Blood Red Moon, which is obviously Satanic), and make hilarious new films like "NICOTINE FRENZY!!" about some dumbass kid eating an entire pack of cigarettes to feel the warm embrace of Lady N, only to then like.... Crash his car or microwave Dr Pepper, or something equally disastrous.
57 lbs. of tobacco is one bowl per day for 25 years. 23 lbs. will get you 10 years down the line. I have just enough to keep me going for 10-15 years as I am not a daily smoker and take breaks for months at a time on occasion, but when everyone asks me why I don’t just keep a few tins around and buy more when I need it, this is why. What I think we are most at risk of is some sort of ban on mail order or online buying. I’m not a hoarder, but I think it wise to stack some tins away at this time. It anything just to lock in lower prices. For my friends in Canada, I will gladly bring in 7 oz. the next time I enjoy the magnificence of the Maritime provinces, original home of the Louisiana Acadians (Cajuns) and I will likewise have no problem delivering some of the sacred weed to anyone in Wisconsin who wants to go fish the Driftless and avoid the new 71% excise tax. I imagine I will be on some sort of watch list now, but the Mounties at Calais were very nice last time around.
Bans on online sales have already occurred in a few states and all of them also have have high tobacco taxes as far as I know, I'm sure it's a matter of time before we see more and more. My state of Washington doesn't allow online sales and we have a 95% sales tax, and very few B&Ms with good selection to boot. Very much a canary in the coal mine situation
Depends on the pipes used. Many of mine can finish off a 50g tin in two smokes.
Absolutely. Or just change it to a public advisory service. Trying to protect people from themselves is getting old.
Just an observation:
Those people with the most restrictions on tobacco are the ones who are the most submissive to their governments.
This won't happen here in the U.S. any time soon... Stay mad that it might happen, so that it never does.
Those people with the most restrictions on tobacco are the ones who are the most submissive to their governments.
This won't happen here in the U.S. any time soon... Stay mad that it might happen, so that it never does.
I grew up with USDA inspectors coming at any time, without notice, to help make double sure my father could keep on buying us brand new cars, and Mama new dresses, and every toy I ever wanted, and some I didn’t.
Every child at Humansville schools had to read The Grapes of Wrath and The Jungle, to impress on us that our storybook prosperity was something relatively new, and it might not last. It depended entirely on hard work and beneficial government regulation.
When I drive my Chrysler down the once prosperous streets of Humansville today, fat mothers scream at little street urchins not to get run over from falling down porches.
Airline sized fake whiskey bottles of Fireball and empty vape cartridges line the gutters. Every child gets a completely free breakfast, lunch, and take home meal in a “buddy pack” at school.
But the school board has condemned an entire square block of rotten old houses and is building a brand new school thanks to tax revenue on the largest cannabis grow barn in Missouri, or maybe the world.
That huge growing operation is there entirely and only, because of wise Missouri laws, and regulations, and inspectors.
There is potential for the FDA to restore prosperity to the Old Belt.
It’s not regulation that is bad, it’s bad regulations.
They also taught us dairy products testing in Humansville schools, and I was third in Missouri at State FFA contest in 1973.
I would have made a good milk inspector, if they’d not dropped government quality testing. They still taste the milk, only there’s an employee at the cooperative that does it.
If they’d kept the old regulations, the milk that was $1.00 -$1.25 a gallon in 1970 would be $8-$10 a gallon today.
We need boys who grew up on tobacco farms to regulate tobacco.
They’d make regulations only the best tobacco farmers could meet.
Every child at Humansville schools had to read The Grapes of Wrath and The Jungle, to impress on us that our storybook prosperity was something relatively new, and it might not last. It depended entirely on hard work and beneficial government regulation.
When I drive my Chrysler down the once prosperous streets of Humansville today, fat mothers scream at little street urchins not to get run over from falling down porches.
Airline sized fake whiskey bottles of Fireball and empty vape cartridges line the gutters. Every child gets a completely free breakfast, lunch, and take home meal in a “buddy pack” at school.
But the school board has condemned an entire square block of rotten old houses and is building a brand new school thanks to tax revenue on the largest cannabis grow barn in Missouri, or maybe the world.
That huge growing operation is there entirely and only, because of wise Missouri laws, and regulations, and inspectors.
There is potential for the FDA to restore prosperity to the Old Belt.
It’s not regulation that is bad, it’s bad regulations.
They also taught us dairy products testing in Humansville schools, and I was third in Missouri at State FFA contest in 1973.
I would have made a good milk inspector, if they’d not dropped government quality testing. They still taste the milk, only there’s an employee at the cooperative that does it.
If they’d kept the old regulations, the milk that was $1.00 -$1.25 a gallon in 1970 would be $8-$10 a gallon today.
We need boys who grew up on tobacco farms to regulate tobacco.
They’d make regulations only the best tobacco farmers could meet.
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I'm not opposed to them
I'm totally fine with the idea of an FDA, I just wish they'd stick with that idea rather than force people to live their lives the way the FDA thinks they should. As I've said before they don't do shit about e. coli in lettuce or salmonella in poultry, that's what they should worry about rather than adults making adult decisions.
My feelings precisely. So many laws are written by people who lack basic understanding of the things they want to regulate.
When I had a young client die of fentanyl and had to console her hysterical mother I wondered why in the hell the FDA ever approved such a deadly drug as that.
And I soon discovered fentanyl is a miracle pain killer if used according to label and no hospital or nursing home or hospice could really exist without it.
It’s a synthetic opioid, and uses no opium poppies, probably as cheap to make as asprin, another miracle drug.
There is a huge fentanyl abuse problem in this nation but I don’t think the answer is to de schedule it and make it over the counter, like heroin and cocaine were before 1908.
And it can’t be uninvented.
There’s a charming courthouse in northern Missouri that still has out big signs:
NO SPITTING ON THE FLOOR
The brass spittoons there are now flower pots.
When I was a kid, every car and even elevators had ashtrays.
Societal norms in America have made us smokers social pariahs. We have to do it on the sly, mostly.
Just one regulation, that all loose pipe smoking tobacco had to be sold in one pound or more packages to be taxed at the lowest rate of $2.83 a pound, would spare us pipe smokers, and make Little Tobacco healthier.
(I’d make an exception for all tobacco sold by a tobacco company that’s had continuous family ownership for 100 years or more.
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They cannot un invent tobacco.
But few would try growing better tobacco than we can buy right now for about $12 a pound.
And I soon discovered fentanyl is a miracle pain killer if used according to label and no hospital or nursing home or hospice could really exist without it.
It’s a synthetic opioid, and uses no opium poppies, probably as cheap to make as asprin, another miracle drug.
There is a huge fentanyl abuse problem in this nation but I don’t think the answer is to de schedule it and make it over the counter, like heroin and cocaine were before 1908.
And it can’t be uninvented.
There’s a charming courthouse in northern Missouri that still has out big signs:
NO SPITTING ON THE FLOOR
The brass spittoons there are now flower pots.
When I was a kid, every car and even elevators had ashtrays.
Societal norms in America have made us smokers social pariahs. We have to do it on the sly, mostly.
Just one regulation, that all loose pipe smoking tobacco had to be sold in one pound or more packages to be taxed at the lowest rate of $2.83 a pound, would spare us pipe smokers, and make Little Tobacco healthier.
(I’d make an exception for all tobacco sold by a tobacco company that’s had continuous family ownership for 100 years or more.
)They cannot un invent tobacco.
But few would try growing better tobacco than we can buy right now for about $12 a pound.
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They just want us on their pharmaceutical nicotine pouches and make us use nicotine-free tobacco, seems like.When I had a young client die of fentanyl and had to console her hysterical mother I wondered why in the hell the FDA ever approved such a deadly drug as that.
And I soon discovered fentanyl is a miracle pain killer if used according to label and no hospital or nursing home or hospice could really exist without it.
It’s a synthetic opioid, and uses no opium poppies, probably as cheap to make as asprin, another miracle drug.
There is a huge fentanyl abuse problem in this nation but I don’t think the answer is to de schedule it and make it over the counter, like heroin and cocaine were before 1908.
And it can’t be uninvented.
There’s a charming courthouse in northern Missouri that still has out big signs:
NO SPITTING ON THE FLOOR
The brass spittoons there are now flower pots.
When I was a kid, every car and even elevators had ashtrays.
Societal norms in America have made us smokers social pariahs. We have to do it on the sly, mostly.
Just one regulation, that all loose pipe smoking tobacco had to be sold in one pound or more packages to be taxed at the lowest rate of $2.83 a pound, would spare us pipe smokers, and make Little Tobacco healthier.
(I’d make an exception for all tobacco sold by a tobacco company that’s had continuous family ownership for 100 years or more.
They cannot un invent tobacco.
But few would try growing better tobacco than we can buy right now for about $12 a pound.
There's been varying anti-tobacco stuff that despite being a smoker (even of cigarettes) and lover of tobacco, that I can agree with. No smoking in public buildings, no smoking within X amount of meters of the door of a public building, no smoking in public walkways, and I think the best implementations of these things is to allow private businesses to choose to be smoking or non-smoking.
Smoking is a personal choice that adults should be allowed to make, and others shouldn't be subjected to someone else's personal choices. None of the above unreasonably infringes on one's personal choice to smoke, and protects the personal choices of others to not smoke or be subjected to smoke.
But this trying to legislate morality shit is way too far. It's absolutely not about helping smokers quit who wish to quit... it's taking pot shots and trying to wear down tobacco to eventually eliminate its use from society entirely, which doesn't make any sense as with the way it's been regulated as per above, the "social harm" is actually relatively low... it's even lower than alcohol.
Content regulation of cigarettes and tobacco should be limited to stuff like "you can't put cyanide in cigarettes" or "can't use non-food-save additives" or something.
People have increasingly been losing any sense of personal responsibility, self-regulation, self-reliance, just broadly speaking. They want more than ever to be ruled, to be told what to do, how to do it and when to do it, and have become increasingly intolerant of anyone doing anything differently than the way they think things should be done and increasingly authoritarian. They're adverse to chaos and uncertainty and want it absolutely eliminated in every area, they want hard black-and-white rules and everything in boxes. And this applies to everything, not just tobacco, and it's bullshit. People have become far too infantilized and need to grow the fuck up. Because they have no control over their own lives (because they're weak and stupid), they want to impose control on everyone else, through a "higher power", because they can't deal.
Smoking is a personal choice that adults should be allowed to make, and others shouldn't be subjected to someone else's personal choices. None of the above unreasonably infringes on one's personal choice to smoke, and protects the personal choices of others to not smoke or be subjected to smoke.
But this trying to legislate morality shit is way too far. It's absolutely not about helping smokers quit who wish to quit... it's taking pot shots and trying to wear down tobacco to eventually eliminate its use from society entirely, which doesn't make any sense as with the way it's been regulated as per above, the "social harm" is actually relatively low... it's even lower than alcohol.
Content regulation of cigarettes and tobacco should be limited to stuff like "you can't put cyanide in cigarettes" or "can't use non-food-save additives" or something.
People have increasingly been losing any sense of personal responsibility, self-regulation, self-reliance, just broadly speaking. They want more than ever to be ruled, to be told what to do, how to do it and when to do it, and have become increasingly intolerant of anyone doing anything differently than the way they think things should be done and increasingly authoritarian. They're adverse to chaos and uncertainty and want it absolutely eliminated in every area, they want hard black-and-white rules and everything in boxes. And this applies to everything, not just tobacco, and it's bullshit. People have become far too infantilized and need to grow the fuck up. Because they have no control over their own lives (because they're weak and stupid), they want to impose control on everyone else, through a "higher power", because they can't deal.
This has been de-prioritized, at least for now
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HHS Tables Nicotine Limits, Tobacco Manufacturing Standards Proposals
The Trump administration has signaled that, at least as of now, it is not interested in new FDA regulations on tobacco products. None of these moves are permanent.
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