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Lifer
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The First Nations are probably like our Native Americans, more than willing to supply us with fresh, tasty, machine rolled non taxed cigarettes.

I’m enjoying a Buoy Gold cigarette that I rolled myself, and fully taxed and legal, it cost about three cents, two for the tobacco and one for the tube. The Indians might manufacture an entire package for a dime or less.


In America our federal tax is only a dollar a package. Missouri tax is 17 cents. 24/7 cigarettes made on an Oklahoma reservation retail for about $22 a carton—-not a pack.

When I started smoking in 1972 cigarettes were forty cents a pack and $3.20 a carton and I didn’t have the extra money for a carton to spare.

My lunch tokens cost 25 cents each and while I didn’t, lots of kids traded two lunch tokens for a package of Marlboros the pool hall. I paid the quarter, dime and nickel.

That sort of thing is why we wind up today with the do gooders and the government trying to bring Big Tobacco to heel.

We aren’t on the side of the angels, my friends.

We are on the side of vice and sin, and the road to perdition .:)


But if you do the math, the Indians on the reservation are spending a dollar a carton to wholesale the product for maybe three or four dollars.

Maybe we could reverse what Al Capone did during prohibition and smuggle them North.:)

The government wants to fight demand.

If kids don’t start, most adults won’t smoke.
If the “powers that be” go full on crazy, I’d love to support Native American tribes that want to import, or sell pipe tobacco. It may be the way around oppressive regimes.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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If the “powers that be” go full on crazy, I’d love to support Native American tribes that want to import, or sell pipe tobacco. It may be the way around oppressive regimes.

Unfortunately the tribes don’t raise much tobacco, they legally manufacture tobacco products, instead.

Every scrap of our pipe tobacco and cigarettes comes from USDA graded leaf, and aged two or more years after purchase.

Otherwise there couldn’t be an industry as we know it.

If nicotine levels are regulated at the grading stations, we’ll have to grow our own
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Humansville Missouri
They did this in the EU. Back in 2004 they reduced it to a maximum of 1 milligram per cigarette.

And there are still cigarettes jn the EU, more there than here.


They make the very best cigarette tubes I’ve found, as well. Where people have a huge incentive to make their own the market caters to them very well.

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People don’t have to use those tubes.

Little pipes hold about two grams of tobacco, and the little ones my pipe smoking mentor Harry Hosterman used probably only one gram, a cigarette’s worth. He smoked one can of Prince Albert a week, on average.

What will frustrate our do gooders is one year’s worth of Virginia tobacco costs $3.50.

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Whatever the FDA does must factor in gardens and bootlegging.
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Humansville Missouri
Is there a way to buy asian cigarettes? The asians don't have any plans to quit smoking.

Back in the day, you could buy boxes of russian cigarettes... Some people would resell 'em.

If this shit continues I guess we'll have to make some friends in Russia or China.

Every tobacco plant ever grown traces back to ours here in America.

The Chinese are all toking on their attempts at Bouy Gold.:)

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Flue-cured tobacco leaf is the major variety planted in China. Flue-cured tobacco leaf represents over 95% of industry output due to the preference of Chinese smokers for flue-cured cigarettes. Tobacco growing requires suitable climate and soil conditions.


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Vlad’s boy’s like Oriental leaf (Turkish)
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Russia produces only Oriental tobaccoand imports mostly the same because it is preferred by Russian smokers. Although the State Customs Committee's export and imports statistics do not separate Oriental tobacco from other types, it is possible to estimate type of tobacco imported based on country of origin.
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They are the world’s most prolific smokers of it.


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North Carolina still flue cures a quarter billion pounds of the finest smoking tobacco on the planet.

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That’s a lot of Capstan,,,,,or Buoy Gold:)

And being farmers they farm all the half billion dollars or so right back up,

Think of all the banks and equipment suppliers and beauty salons and barber shops and car dealers those flue cured tobacco farmers patronize.

How’s the gubbermint going to dictate the reduction in nicotine in North Carolina leaf?
 
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BenMN

Lifer
Jun 21, 2023
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A new piece from Halfwheel, worth reading thoroughly


Pipe tobacco is "explicitly included" in the draft i.e., would be subject to nicotine limits
 
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TriedPiper

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Oct 23, 2024
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Well, I guess we better get commenting then.
A new piece from Halfwheel, worth reading thoroughly

Pipe tobacco is "explicitly included" in the draft i.e., would be subject to nicotine limits
 

TriedPiper

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Oct 23, 2024
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Every pipe forum should have a thread dedicated to HOW, WHERE, and WHEN: Instructions and Tips for Commenting. Perhaps someone here with expertise in setting this up?
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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Humansville Missouri
I wasn’t fast enough.

Buoy Gold is sold out at Tobacco Stocks.:)

They might just relabel the product as

INTENDED FOR USE IN A WATERPIPE.:)

Since European Union manufacturers have flourished for twenty years with a 1 milligram nicotine per gram standard ours should be able to live with a .70 limit.

The earliest this would apply is about four years and in practice litigation will drag this out for a decade or more.

Congress could amend the law next week and shut all this foolishness down.

Will they?
 
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fishmansf

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It’s still absolutely mind boggling that Swedish snus isn’t a huge deal in the US. It would rapidly drop smoking rates. If the big tobacco lobbies were angry about it, they would simply have to put a tax on it and people would still pay but it would be a lot healthier.
 

Zamora

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Mar 15, 2023
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Well, I guess we better get commenting then.
They really have it out for premium cigars, the courts have been pretty consistent in siding with the cigar industry but the FDA just refuses to drop it. I always comment on these things when there's an opportunity. I'm so grateful for Cigar Rights America, they do such good work.
 
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Zamora

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Mar 15, 2023
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N/A beer and liquor isn’t just for alcoholics anymore. A lot of the younger generations just don’t want the buzz or getting drunk and are embracing N/A options and the industry is catering to it.

As for me, I love full flavored beer and spirits but I’m really loving the N/A beers coming out in the craft beer industry. I love that if I have to drive to a function I can get a six pack of pretty amazing N/A beers and not feel like I’m the odd one out yet I’m able to drive home.

Additionally I have a close friend who has diverticulitis and can no longer drink alcohol. He can however drink N/A beer and has shared many with me.
Now the industry has evolved to a point where there's 0 Proof liqueurs, there's even a few amaros now. So now it's totally possible to have an alcohol free cocktail, it could also be an option to use an alcohol free alternative in a cocktail with other alcohol ingredients in order to lower the ABV. I think it's a very exciting industry development. If there was quality nicotine free tobacco I'd definitely try it since I don't smoke for the buzz
 
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They really have it out for premium cigars, the courts have been pretty consistent in siding with the cigar industry but the FDA just refuses to drop it. I always comment on these things when there's an opportunity. I'm so grateful for Cigar Rights America, they do such good work.
The cigar lobby is pretty strong and they to have little to no interest in supporting pipe smokers, so we're on our own.
 
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How do they actually do that? Is it by only selling low nicotine blends or a chemical process!
I've no idea mate. All I know is in the EU/UK you can only buy cigarettes with no more than 1mg nicotine, 10 mg of tar and 10mg of carbon monoxide. How the meddling bastards do it I really don't know.

The idea behind it is it's supposed to stop people smoking but I think that's bollocks. I've been smoking cigarettes since the 1980's and I definitely smoke more today because (I think) I don't get enough nicotine from a single cigarette like I did back in the day. That's got to be worse for me health wise.

You can't even buy a pack of 10 cigarettes here in the UK, anymore. They banned them a few years ago because they said that it was too affordable for kids to buy a pack of 10. This is nonsense. If kids want to smoke they'll just go halves with one of their mates on a pack of 20. I quite often used to buy 30 cigarettes but I can't do that anymore so I have to get 40 and I definitely smoke more because of it. I've no idea why the fucking government are so worried about kids smoking, anyway. I never see kids smoking anymore because they're all vaping. I see a ton of that.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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I've no idea mate. All I know is in the EU/UK you can only buy cigarettes with no more than 1mg nicotine, 10 mg of tar and 10mg of carbon monoxide. How the meddling bastards do it I really don't know.

The idea behind it is it's supposed to stop people smoking but I think that's bollocks. I've been smoking cigarettes since the 1980's and I definitely smoke more today because (I think) I don't get enough nicotine from a single cigarette like I did back in the day. That's got to be worse for me health wise.

You can't even buy a pack of 10 cigarettes here in the UK, anymore. They banned them a few years ago because they said that it was too affordable for kids to buy a pack of 10. This is nonsense. If kids want to smoke they'll just go halves with one of their mates on a pack of 20. I quite often used to buy 30 cigarettes but I can't do that anymore so I have to get 40 and I definitely smoke more because of it. I've no idea why the fucking government are so worried about kids smoking, anyway. I never see kids smoking anymore because they're all vaping. I see a ton of that.

To establish those levels the same way, they’d have to use smoking machines. And in the day the makers manipulated tar and nicotine levels by mechanical (filters) and somehow reducing nicotine in the blends themselves.

During law school there was an ultra low tar and nicotine brand named Barclay that advertised as 99% tar free and tasted delicious, especially when I covered the air holes in the filter. But even if I broke off the filter, they weren’t satisfying.


The ribbon cut pipe tobacco I prefer now is Buoy Gold, made by a small tobacco company in Kinston North Carolina.

If I really want my nicotine I’ll smoke it in a small clay or tiny Algerian briar pipe.

And while Buoy Silver tastes good and smells good, there’s less nicotine so I avoid it.

The FDA does not regulate raw, cured leaf.

The Rouse company buys it from farmers around Kinston for about two dollars a pound, warehouses it maybe two years, blends and bags it and sells it.

And fifty pounds of it, enough for about 25,000 cigarettes, can be bought mail order for $725.

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As a lawyer, the biggest loophole I see in the proposals is to exempt water pipe tobacco.

Since pipes themselves are exempt look for a slurry of electronic water pipe patents.

Seriously.

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Zamora

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The cigar lobby is pretty strong and they to have little to no interest in supporting pipe smokers, so we're on our own.
It's a shame there isn't any sort of equivalent for pipe smokers.
I've no idea mate. All I know is in the EU/UK you can only buy cigarettes with no more than 1mg nicotine, 10 mg of tar and 10mg of carbon monoxide. How the meddling bastards do it I really don't know.

The idea behind it is it's supposed to stop people smoking but I think that's bollocks. I've been smoking cigarettes since the 1980's and I definitely smoke more today because (I think) I don't get enough nicotine from a single cigarette like I did back in the day. That's got to be worse for me health wise.

You can't even buy a pack of 10 cigarettes here in the UK, anymore. They banned them a few years ago because they said that it was too affordable for kids to buy a pack of 10. This is nonsense. If kids want to smoke they'll just go halves with one of their mates on a pack of 20. I quite often used to buy 30 cigarettes but I can't do that anymore so I have to get 40 and I definitely smoke more because of it. I've no idea why the fucking government are so worried about kids smoking, anyway. I never see kids smoking anymore because they're all vaping. I see a ton of that.
The fact that the EU has limited nicotine in cigarettes as long as they have yet many member states have a much higher cigarette smoking rate than countries with no such restrictions show it doesn't work.