Need Mild Tobacco without Burley

[dcon]

I see several suggestions have burley which, you specifically mentioned as a ”no go”. My suggestion would be G&H DVC (Dark Virginia Cavendish). This is a pleasant, mild tobacco. There used to be a multitude of VA Cavendishes that would fit this bill (like the discontinued Dobie’s 4 Square Cavendish) but, they are not quite as plentiful nowadays.

 

[mbsigman]

Well, so far I've tried the 1-Q. Wife didn't like the aroma all that much, and I (surprisingly, to me) thought it had a bit of a bite. Got some Good Companion from Edwards, and she was only so-so on that aroma but I didn't get much of a buzz from it, so I will try it some more. Today I tried the Autumn Evening and she liked that aroma, and I thought it the best of the bunch so far. Looked into getting some G&H DVC but not the easiest to find. Edwards is sending out some of their Black & Gold which is supposed to be similar to the G&H, and they're also sending me some of their Quick Draw.

My sincere thanks to everybody that took the time to respond. I would love to hear any further suggestions you may have.

Mike

 

[thesmokindragon]

L.J. Peretti - really tasty stuff ( see the Cav blends below ) - I smoke their London Flake, Omega and Royal blends all outstanding.

 

[lukasstrifeson]

Hello all. Just joined. Been smoking Dolphin from Edward's in TPA for many years. They cannot get the ingredients anymore for that blend. They're sending me some samples to try (we're in the DFW area) but in the meantime I need a recommendation for a new tobacco. Two requirements for the new substitute: must be mild and MUST NOT HAVE BURLEY. I can't smoke burley as it makes me dizzy. Suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Mike

By all accounts on Tobacco Reviews, this Dolphin blend is an aromatic on the sweeter side, with burley and cavendish being it's two most prominent components. Could you possible elaborate on how you found out you were reactive to burleys?

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My sincere thanks for the quick replies! Requests for information on some forums do not get many responses - not that I'd names, but the various VW forums spring to mind - but y'all rock!

Turns out I'd had some 1-Q that I'd purchased a long time ago from Iwan Ries in ORD (what a terrific place!) and I tried it last night. While mild, I found it didn't have a whole lot of flavor and my wife wasn't wild about the aroma. Don't get me wrong as it wasn't bad at all, but admittedly I'm used to the Dolphin from Edwards. I also ordered a small pouch of both the 1-Q (maybe something fresher might be a tad different) and the Autumn Evening to try. For grins and giggles, I also ordered a pouch of the Good Companion from Edwards. Perhaps it was, as mentioned, an issue with the Nic Hit and as I'd tried it when I'd first started smoking maybe I was more sensitive to that aspect of pipe smoking back then (1978). Who knows, maybe it won't be so bad now as I have a few miles under my belt now.

My father used to smoke Captain Black and when I tried it, I found that while it smelled terrific it was (for me) exceptionally harsh. Perhaps the other Captain Black blend would be milder.

I'm very appreciative of all of your suggestions; please keep them coming.

V/R

Mike

Good chance this might be just the age, aromatics like 1Q can lose their topping flavor after significant time. I can't imagine anyone would find a fresh sample of 1Q to "[not] have a whole lot of flavor" and if that was the case, I can't imagine there is a blend that would satisfy that particular sweet tooth.

That said, I would recommend the following blends:

Sutliff Panna Cotta/Creme Brulee/A Taste of Summer
G&H American Sweet Peach
KBV Sakura

 

[mbsigman]

I found out I had a reaction to burley when I originally tried Good Companion. Mr Stein, owner of the Edwards franchise in MIA at the time, had recommended the Good Companion as being mild. When I had the dizzies from it, he thought it was the burley as he'd heard of people reacting that way to burley. I was bummed as I'd liked the Good Companion and my wife also thought it ok. He switched me to Dolphin which I've been smoking ever since.

Turns out from information gleaned on this forum (and I thank you) the issue may have been the Nic Hit and not the burley.

I will try the newer 1-Q to see if there's a difference.

As I mentioned, I have re-tried the Good Companion and didn't notice any adverse reactions. I really enjoyed the Autumn Evening, and my wife mentioned she liked that the best when compared to the Dolphin.

Please keep the suggestions coming as they are very much appreciated.

Mike

 

[Annaresti Red]

* edit! I thought I read WITH burley. Redburn is a strong burley blend. My mistake.

I absolutely love Redburn, from C&D.

Delicious worth very light topping but enough to be present and pleasant without getting even close to flavored territory.

Anyone else enjoy it?

 

[lordofthepiperings]

There are many options. Go to smokingpipes.com and play with their search options. A quick search excluding dark fired and burley show 32 pages of 24 items. Enjoy the search

That search feature is a god send. If I ever find whoever created it I will share a bowl of some of my McClelland I’m hoarding.

 

[lordofthepiperings]

* edit! I thought I read WITH burley. Redburn is a strong burley blend. My mistake.

I absolutely love Redburn, from C&D.

Delicious worth very light topping but enough to be present and pleasant without getting even close to flavored territory.

Anyone else enjoy it?

I’ve only had a tin of it; picked it up just because I was at a tobacconist to meet a friend and I always buy at least a tin when I’m in a B&M. Might buy another tin to see if I still like it and if I do cellar a pound of it.

 

[PLANofMAN]

My sincere thanks for the quick replies! Requests for information on some forums do not get many responses - not that I'd names, but the various VW forums spring to mind - but y'all rock!

Turns out I'd had some 1-Q that I'd purchased a long time ago from Iwan Ries in ORD (what a terrific place!) and I tried it last night. While mild, I found it didn't have a whole lot of flavor and my wife wasn't wild about the aroma. Don't get me wrong as it wasn't bad at all, but admittedly I'm used to the Dolphin from Edwards. I also ordered a small pouch of both the 1-Q (maybe something fresher might be a tad different) and the Autumn Evening to try. For grins and giggles, I also ordered a pouch of the Good Companion from Edwards. Perhaps it was, as mentioned, an issue with the Nic Hit and as I'd tried it when I'd first started smoking maybe I was more sensitive to that aspect of pipe smoking back then (1978). Who knows, maybe it won't be so bad now as I have a few miles under my belt now.

My father used to smoke Captain Black and when I tried it, I found that while it smelled terrific it was (for me) exceptionally harsh. Perhaps the other Captain Black blend would be milder.

I'm very appreciative of all of your suggestions; please keep them coming.

V/R

Mike

Lane 1-Q is basically Captain Black Royal, with less PG (preservative). I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but Seattle Pipe Club's Plum Pudding might be worth a look. It's an English blend, not an aromatic, but it's a good smelling and tasting blend, even for this confirmed aromatic smoker. And for a blend that has everything but the proverbial kitchen sink in it, it doesn't contain burley.

Autumn Evening smells nice, but is very much a one note flavor and smell. It's not a complex aromatic by any any stretch of the imagination.

 

[mbsigman]

Hello all. Wanted to update everyone on latest information in re my request for assistance.

First and foremost, I thank each and every one of you for your exceptionally valuable advice.

I tried many different blends that were recommended. The Good Companion surprised me the most as although I initially reported no issues when smoking just a bit (less than half a bowl), when I smoked a full bowl I noticed a definite buzz effect, and it also affected my wife. The nicotine in that blend is (apparently) much higher than what I'm used to, and not only did it keep me up all night but it kept my wife up as well. So that's out. From Edwards I also tried Quickdraw and Black and Gold. Wife did not like the Black and Gold at all, and was indifferent at best to the Quickdraw so those were out.

I personally did not enjoy the 1-Q which surprised me as it came highly recommended here. I found it average at best.

I thought C/D Autumn Evening would be her favorite but nope, she was not a fan. So much for that brilliant idea of mine!

On the recommendations from this thread I tried several from LJ Peretti: Burlington, Whiskey Cavendish, and Boylston. Of those, I thought the Boylston was the best and that was the tobacco she liked the best. So it looks like the Boylston will do the trick.

In retrospect I feel that the majority of you were spot on; this wasn't a burley issue but rather a nicotine content issue for me.

Again, my gratitude for all that took the time to respond and to make suggestions and give advice. I hope someday I can return the favor.

V/R

Mike

 

[midcentry]

Capstan Yellow.

Second the Capstan. Mild and delicious

 

[andrew]

Any flavored black Cavendish. It's like smoking air

 

[slippery pete]

Hello all. Just joined. Been smoking Dolphin from Edward's in TPA for many years. They cannot get the ingredients anymore for that blend. They're sending me some samples to try (we're in the DFW area) but in the meantime I need a recommendation for a new tobacco. Two requirements for the new substitute: must be mild and MUST NOT HAVE BURLEY. I can't smoke burley as it makes me dizzy. Suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Mike

mac baren 7 sea's black seems mild to me, back of the tin shows it as virginia blends I assume that means only virginia no burleys

 

[DurinsRest]

F&T blended plug Virginia is amazing! Light but fresh and rich at the same time.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

First off, what burley has anyone tried that made them dizzy? Almost all aromatics are burley based, and I've never heard of anyone getting dizzy off a peach aromatic, despite what burley was used.
There isa more than just one burley in this world. There are literally hundreds of varietals in the burley category. And, merely four categories on the commercial end.

The reason no one gets nicotine sickness from an aromatic is that the more shit that put on the leaf that makes it smell aromatic, the less nicotine that can be absorbed.

There is also no genetic difference between a burley and a Virginia. They are the same leaf. There is literally no way your body can distinguish a difference between these two leafs. Even the PH is only like 2 steps away from each other, and it is not the same across the boards for all varieties of burley verses flu-cured.

I don't buy any of these claims that they are allergic to one leaf over another. We let Harris, Cigrmstr, get away with saying that he was allergic to reds for forever, even when blenders would tell him that such and such blend that he was raving about has reds in it.

I'm not going to argue with any individuals, but as a blanket statement overall, I call bullshit.
You may like one leaf over another. Just say you don't like this or that. You may even get tongue taxed by one more than the other. That's ok too, just say you prefer one over the other. But, all of that is a far cry from an allergic reaction.

 

[mingc]

First off, what burley has anyone tried that made them dizzy? Almost all aromatics are burley based, and I've never heard of anyone getting dizzy off a peach aromatic, despite what burley was used.
There isa more than just one burley in this world. There are literally hundreds of varietals in the burley category. And, merely four categories on the commercial end.

The reason no one gets nicotine sickness from an aromatic is that the more shit that put on the leaf that makes it smell aromatic, the less nicotine that can be absorbed.

There is also no genetic difference between a burley and a Virginia. They are the same leaf. There is literally no way your body can distinguish a difference between these two leafs. Even the PH is only like 2 steps away from each other, and it is not the same across the boards for all varieties of burley verses flu-cured.

I don't buy any of these claims that they are allergic to one leaf over another. We let Harris, Cigrmstr, get away with saying that he was allergic to reds for forever, even when blenders would tell him that such and such blend that he was raving about has reds in it.

I'm not going to argue with any individuals, but as a blanket statement overall, I call bullshit.
You may like one leaf over another. Just say you don't like this or that. You may even get tongue taxed by one more than the other. That's ok too, just say you prefer one over the other. But, all of that is a far cry from an allergic reaction.

OP has retracted his statement that burley makes him dizzy:

Turns out from information gleaned on this forum (and I thank you) the issue may have been the Nic Hit and not the burley.

In any event, he's left the building and hasn't been around here since Feb.

 

[AJL67]

OP has retracted his statement that burley makes him dizzy:

In any event, he's left the building and hasn't been around here since Feb.

6 posts, all in this thread, figured out or assumed it was the nicotine and left. Guess that's all he needed or wanted to add to the community. lol

 

[seanv]

6 posts, all in this thread, figured out or assumed it was the nicotine and left. Guess that's all he needed or wanted to add to the community. lol

That's never happened before.

 

[hilbertastronaut]

I found out I had a reaction to burley when I originally tried Good Companion. Mr Stein, owner of the Edwards franchise in MIA at the time, had recommended the Good Companion as being mild. When I had the dizzies from it, he thought it was the burley as he'd heard of people reacting that way to burley. I was bummed as I'd liked the Good Companion and my wife also thought it ok. He switched me to Dolphin which I've been smoking ever since.

Turns out from information gleaned on this forum (and I thank you) the issue may have been the Nic Hit and not the burley.

I will try the newer 1-Q to see if there's a difference.

As I mentioned, I have re-tried the Good Companion and didn't notice any adverse reactions. I really enjoyed the Autumn Evening, and my wife mentioned she liked that the best when compared to the Dolphin.

Please keep the suggestions coming as they are very much appreciated.

Mike

Respect for someone who did the experiment and reported the results -- may they always find great blends to smoke!

 

[mbsigman]

Hi folks. No, unlike Elvis I haven't left the building. I have seen all of the posts and I'm sincerely grateful to each and every one of you for taking the time to respond.

I'm a retired airline pilot who owns an airplane and flies said airplane for enjoyment. Pilots are required to be medically certified to fly, regardless of private flying or commercial flying.

In April I was jogging and suffered a cardiac event. While not a heart attack (myocardial infarction) in the classic sense. they did have to go in and clear out a significant blockage. Since that point I have been through a pretty extensive journey - okay, it's really intense - to obtain medical recertification from the FAA. One of the mandates is absolutely no smoking, regardless of the fact that I do not inhale. There's an old airline expression: cooperate, graduate, and because flying my airplane is incredibly important to me I'm being a good boy and cooperating to hopefully graduate.

As I type this I have one of my pipes loaded with the Peretti Boylston in my mouth, but I don't dare light it. Won't even consider smoking until I get recertified to fly, and even then it will be only occasionally. For those of you familiar with submarines, hence the silent running routine from me

I hope that those who took the time to respond can understand how important flying my airplane is to me and will be a bit tolerant of different life priorities. Being alive and well is obviously job one for me (I'm fine; I'm exercising like a maniac and my stress test was, in the words of my cardiologist, "FANTASTIC!") but being able to fly my wife in our airplane is job two.

My thanks again to everyone who took the time to respond.