Interesting Completed Ebay Auctions - British Pipes

[georged]

Sasieni Viscount Lascelles show up with some frequency, but I do not recall seeing a Patent era pipe, certainly not with the stinger. This shape is decidedly different from latter era Viscount Lacelles.

Heres a family era example I owned (believe it is in Greece now with a forum member). A fantastic bent billiard.

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This one is a different beast.

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And still different from either of those:

Patent-era Sasieni "Viscount Lascelles" To Die For :: Pipe Talk

In the collecting world, from cars to watches to pipes, there are ultra-rare, never used, never sold "time capsule" specimens, and there are desirable specimens, but they hardly ever overlap. Meaning, not many people care about a zero-miles Yugo with the option sticker still in the window, but...

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[runscott]

Seller had a $269 BIN on this 1950's/early 1960's 14B (maybe older?). These are very rare and I would easily have paid his asking price; however, I wanted to know if it was actually stamped '14B', as I got burned once before on a 'good guess', and I wanted to know what the top of the band, and the condenser (if any) looked like.

No answer so I passed:

Vintage Peterson Deluxe 14B Tobacco Pipe w/ Sterling Silver Collar, Original Bag | eBay

Crafted for the discerning pipe enthusiast, the Vintage Peterson Deluxe 14B Tobacco Pipe boasts a distinguished sterling silver collar that adds a touch of elegance to its classic design. The pipe's rich heritage is a testament to the renowned craftsmanship of the Peterson brand, synonymous with...

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[ssjones]

Peterson 69, Pre-Republic - maybe 1934? (S?). Bit of rash on the bowl. Not sure that will buff out...

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[runscott]

Peterson 69, Pre-Republic - maybe 1934? (S?). Bit of rash on the bowl. Not sure that will buff out...

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I'm pretty sure it's a 1921 small 160. I have a 1922 and the dimensions are spot-on.

 

[runscott]

Ebay this morning. I have never seen one of these - figured it would go for a lot more.

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[runscott]

This is the oldest hallmarked non-kalmasch I've seen (London 1856 with queen's head). I don't think the stem is original - too wide at the shank, and too short for the case - but it does appear to be orific amber.

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[xrundog]

This is the oldest hallmarked non-kalmasch I've seen (London 1856 with queen's head). I don't think the stem is original - too wide at the shank, and too short for the case - but it does appear to be orific amber.

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Saw that one. I think the hallmarks are a cycle or two later. The style of the case and the pipe look later to me. Not that I’ve seen a lot of pipes that old. I am perfectly happy to be wrong.

 

[runscott]

Saw that one. I think the hallmarks are a cycle or two later. The style of the case and the pipe look later to me. Not that I’ve seen a lot of pipes that old. I am perfectly happy to be wrong.

It's the queen's head that dates the band to 1856. But the band doesn't look right to me, as in - maybe it came from some other item and was added to a newer pipe?

The pipe style doesn't say much. I agree with you regarding the case; however, I have never seen a case from earlier than the 1870's, so I'm not sure how they evolved.

In any case, for a meer with a 3" bowl and a 2" amber stem, it was 'no lose'.

 

[xrundog]

It's the queen's head that dates the band to 1856. But the band doesn't look right to me, as in - maybe it came from some other item and was added to a newer pipe?

The pipe style doesn't say much. I agree with you regarding the case; however, I have never seen a case from earlier than the 1870's, so I'm not sure how they evolved.

In any case, for a meer with a 3" bowl and a 2" amber stem, it was 'no lose'.

Yeah, that’s a nice old meerschaum for the price.

 

[sablebrush52]

And still different from either of those:

Patent-era Sasieni "Viscount Lascelles" To Die For :: Pipe Talk

In the collecting world, from cars to watches to pipes, there are ultra-rare, never used, never sold "time capsule" specimens, and there are desirable specimens, but they hardly ever overlap. Meaning, not many people care about a zero-miles Yugo with the option sticker still in the window, but...

pipesmagazine.com

As an interesting aside, I was searching through my copy of the 1924 Sasieni catalog and there was a picture of the Viscount Lascelles in it, and it was not a swans neck. That swans neck version is off model.

 

[jguss]

As an interesting aside, I was searching through my copy of the 1924 Sasieni catalog and there was a picture of the Viscount Lascelles in it, and it was not a swans neck. That swans neck version is off model.

 

[greeneyes]

Does "swan neck" have a formal definition? Length, and perhaps continuous, non-segmental curvature along its length? I think I would recognize an extreme example but am not sure whether the definition itself has a boundary with similar styles.

 

[Hupp]

I was lucky to pick up this swan neck. A Blue Bar made in England

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It cleaned up nicely

 

[runscott]

Does "swan neck" have a formal definition? Length, and perhaps continuous, non-segmental curvature along its length? I think I would recognize an extreme example but am not sure whether the definition itself has a boundary with similar styles.

I have seen pipe forum members describe pipes similar to the Peterson 69 as 'swan neck'. I'm too nice a guy to argue with them

 

[sablebrush52]

Does "swan neck" have a formal definition? Length, and perhaps continuous, non-segmental curvature along its length? I think I would recognize an extreme example but am not sure whether the definition itself has a boundary with similar styles.

It's all in the proportion of the "S" curve that forms the swans neck. Here's a good example:



The shank travels out from the bowl, initially close to horizontal before gently curving upward and the shank continues to curve til just before the juncture with the stem, so the actual length of the shank/stem that is straight length is the minimal amount required at that juncture that allows for the stem to complete the "s" shape by reversing the direction of the curve. That straight section is maybe about 20 to 25% of the total. This is a classic swans neck, something the French did superbly. There is a flowing grace to it that looks like it's a continuous curve.
By the comparison, the Sasieni, and I'm borrowing a quote from Stravinsky here, the Sasieni would be a "knock kneed Lolita" rather than a swan.

 

[runscott]

It's all in the proportion of the "S" curve that forms the swans neck. Here's a good example:

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The shank travels out from the bowl, initially close to horizontal before gently curving upward and the shank continues to curve til just before the juncture with the stem, so the actual length of the shank/stem that is straight length is the minimal amount required at that juncture that allows for the stem to complete the "s" shape by reversing the direction of the curve. That straight section is maybe about 20 to 25% of the total. This is a classic swans neck, something the French did superbly. There is a flowing grace to it that looks like it's a continuous curve.
By the comparison, the Sasieni, and I'm borrowing a quote from Stravinsky here, the Sasieni would be a "knock kneed Lolita" rather than a swan.

That isn't a British item. Bailiff - whack his peepee.

 

[greeneyes]

I have seen pipe forum members describe pipes similar to the Peterson 69 as 'swan neck'. I'm too nice a guy to argue with them

I'm gonna have to look that up to get the joke

 

[greeneyes]

Seems to me that there's an additional variable here. There is a downward curvature that is contiguous with and a continuation of the bottom of the bowl. The shank almost curves up into the bowl.

 

[sablebrush52]

That isn't a British item. Bailiff - whack his peepee.

Knocked kneed Lolita’s? Are you sure?

 

[sablebrush52]

Seems to me that there's an additional variable here. There is a downward curvature that is contiguous with and a continuation of the bottom of the bowl. The shank almost curves up into the bowl.

It’s part of the illusion, though not always, but the at the transition from the bowl to the shank there is not an immediate rise. I love the illusion of a continuous curve from the bowl to the button.