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timt

Lifer
Jul 19, 2018
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Funnily enough, I' m an extrovert but a very discerning one, I like my company and the company of a select fewpuffy
Oh don't get me wrong, I totally enjoy the company of others, but in small doses. I'm reserved in a crowd but very willing to chat with someone I just met or with a small group of people I know and like. Yeah, I'm not 24/7 solitary man, giving everyone the stink eye.
 
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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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I hear so often on here that so many places are non-smoking. But, when I see a picture of a cigarette with a red line through it, I just assume it means no cigarettes. I find that most people are cr4azy in love with the idea of people smoking pipes.
<< Snipped bits out >>

That's the answer I am prepared to give if stopped by the Beach Patrol. A regular citizen who takes exception to me smoking a pipe will be studiously ignored. Neither event has happened, and I agree that a large—even vast!! :) —majority enjoy my smoking either for the smell of the heavy Latakia laden smoke, or for nostalgia.
 

OlJawBone

Can't Leave
Apr 19, 2021
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California
I hear so often on here that so many places are non-smoking. But, when I see a picture of a cigarette with a red line through it, I just assume it means no cigarettes. I find that most people are cr4azy in love with the idea of people smoking pipes.
I have a Starbucks that I go to that has no smoking signs, but when I politely ask, they will always let me smoke my pipes there. there are several restaurants, very nice ones, that will let me smoke after a meal. Embarrassingly, on many occasions I have forgotten that I was clenching and have been down several aisles of the grocery store, and not until I open a frozen foods door that I realize that I have been smoking in a store.

It is annoying, but if I am setting somewhere enjoying my pipe, someone will come along and ask to set next to me, and just start giving me their life story. It happens all the time. I have no idea why people associate pipesmokers as being some sort of therapist, but it annoys the crap out of me, because to respond, I have to remove my pipe from my clench. This happens even when I am out visiting other cities and states. So, I know that it not just an Alabama thing.

I think that as long as your not someone covered in tattoos, a greasy ball cap, and open carry, and instead you're someone who takes some pride in how you look, people will embrace your pipesmoking.

I wasn't kidding about having non-smoking people ask me to smoke in their homes. It has happened.

I do run across the occasional anti-type person. The obligatory "cough cough" when they see my pipe, but I can usually warm them up with a big smile and a courteous tip of the hat.



I am more perplexed by guys covered in tattoos, old tshirts, cut offs, and greasy old ball caps telling me that the world hates pipesmokers. No, maybe you've just turned yourself into something that most people cannot relate to. Why?
that actually fits me fairly well but i dont think the world hates pipe smoking. Just all these yuppies drinking red wine in white pants in my town
 
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That's the answer I am prepared to give if stopped by the Beach Patrol. A regular citizen who takes exception to me smoking a pipe will be studiously ignored. Neither event has happened, and I agree that a large—even vast!! :) —majority enjoy my smoking either for the smell of the heavy Latakia laden smoke, or for nostalgia.
Just start off telling the patrol that your scouting out a location for a scene in a (be vague) a shot in something that will be filmed. Ask about which lighthouse is the most beautiful and such. Of course, it helps if you’re as beautiful as I am, but…. maybe bring along a 20something in a bikini, eye candy. It might help. puffy
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
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It runs counter to human evolutionary development as well as many other aspects of civility.
Too many historical mass migrations to support that.


I wonder if there is a correlation between pipe smoking in our times and the desire to be left alone.
Always has been. As a child decades ago, if you saw an older gentleman smoking a pipe, you gave him a wide berth. I couldn't imagine being a social smoker, that's my time.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Too many historical mass migrations to support that.



Always has been. As a child decades ago, if you saw an older gentleman smoking a pipe, you gave him a wide berth. I couldn't imagine being a social smoker, that's my time.
The word mass supports my point. The majority of humans, like nearly all of them, live in communities where they support each other through various dependent efforts. Put someone in solitary for any
length of time and watch them go bonkers. This whole romanization of the individual being an island unto themself is a notion. We are dependent on each other for the benefits we enjoy. Clothing, medicine, transportation, food, clothing, shelter, etc- the whole Maslow so to say. Without human dependence and a desire and need to interact there would be no self reliance to put in ones pipe and smoke it. But I am sure I am wrong.
 
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The word mass supports my point. The majority of humans, like nearly all of them, live in communities where they support each other through various dependent efforts. Put someone in solitary for any
length of time and watch them go bonkers. This whole romanization of the individual being an island unto themself is a notion. We are dependent on each other for the benefits we enjoy. Clothing, medicine, transportation, food, clothing, shelter, etc- the whole Maslow so to say. Without human dependence and a desire and need to interact there would be no self reliance to put in ones pipe and smoke it. But I am sure I am wrong.
I view humans as the predators on top of the food chain that now turn on themselves for lack of a competitor. While we depend on each other for the things you mentioned the world is full of criminals, petty tyrants and politicians that just take without producing anything. Also, some forum members here grow their own tobacco and a little self-reliance in other things goes a long way when society goes south.

Smaller communities work better than larger ones, also homogeneity is more important for things to go smoothly than 10 000 differences that waste time and energy just trying to get along.

A capable, innovating individual on his island is worth more for the human race than millions of average humans, history has many examples on many subjects for this.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
I view humans as the predators on top of the food chain that now turn on themselves for lack of a competitor. While we depend on each other for the things you mentioned the world is full of criminals, petty tyrants and politicians that just take without producing anything. Also, some forum members here grow their own tobacco and a little self-reliance in other things goes a long way when society goes south.

Smaller communities work better than larger ones, also homogeneity is more important for things to go smoothly than 10 000 differences that waste time and energy just trying to get along.

A capable, innovating individual on his island is worth more for the human race than millions of average humans, history has many examples on many subjects for this.
I certainly don’t want to be in a position of defending humanity, but there is no actually no historical precedents to support your proposition that smaller groups of societies out performed larger civilizations. Even the Greeks were dependent on their coalition of city-states. Tribalism at both the micro and macro level usually showcase the worst of humanity. However, I concede the glorified romanticism of the American lone man against the world is something that will trump any discussion to the contraire. Personally, I agree with every word you said even though I know it’s not right. Yes, I am a proponent of individualism. But seriously, the concept is an illusion. But, hey, why not. It makes me feel important.
 
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I certainly don’t want to be in a position of defending humanity, but there is no actually no historical precedents to support your proposition that smaller groups of societies out performed larger civilizations. Even the Greeks were dependent on their coalition of city-states. Tribalism at both the micro and macro level usually showcase the worst of humanity. However, I concede the glorified romanticism of the American lone man against the world is something that will trump any discussion to the contraire. Personally, I agree with every word you said even though I know it’s not right. Yes, I am a proponent of individualism. But seriously, the concept is an illusion. But, hey, why not. It makes me feel important.
You're a proponent of individualism by bashing it? Smaller communities composed of educated, able, free and homogeneous individuals become larger civilizations in time and then fall because the machine is too hard to maintain running for lack of educated, able, free and homogeneous individuals. There's no quantity of quality in life and especially in humanity, it's one or the other.
 
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sablebrush52

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I view humans as the predators on top of the food chain that now turn on themselves for lack of a competitor. While we depend on each other for the things you mentioned the world is full of criminals, petty tyrants and politicians that just take without producing anything. Also, some forum members here grow their own tobacco and a little self-reliance in other things goes a long way when society goes south.

Smaller communities work better than larger ones, also homogeneity is more important for things to go smoothly than 10 000 differences that waste time and energy just trying to get along.

A capable, innovating individual on his island is worth more for the human race than millions of average humans, history has many examples on many subjects for this.
Humans are sorta the top of the food chain, though stick them alone against a lion or other great cat and humans make a tasty meal. Humans also make great incubators for tiny things as well.
I've always been fascinated by the myth of the self made person. I've never met one who actually was. They were the result of a lot of different people's efforts, beginning with pop squirting it in and mom squirting them out, but were incapable of, or unwilling to, acknowledging that part of their story. And there are the tens of thousands of individuals tangentially involved in just that one birthing event, not to mention all of the thousands of events since.
I don't disagree that there are a fair amount of parasites in the population. I've met thousands of them over my lifetime. Problem is, we largely venerate our parasites.
A lot of us would rather be Mr Potter than George Bailey, and in our devotion to self centeredness, would rather be Cain than Abel.
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,912
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In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
It's like that here too.
it's the same everywhere. Smoking rates are higher among hospital staff. Our hospital had to get rid of their ban on tobacco use, cause they had trouble finding people to hire.
Also one of the office I clean sometimes is a medical office sports medicine and physical therapy. And the people there have the worst diets of any place I've cleaned. Like some of them eat one of those extra big bags of doritos daily. Though not complaining because, free candy is nice.
 

OlJawBone

Can't Leave
Apr 19, 2021
365
1,366
California
A capable, innovating individual on his island is worth more for the human race than millions of average humans, history has many examples on many subjects for this.
You present this opinion of yours as truth but it is not. No one person could ever account for the compassion that millions of average people bring to the world, no matter how remarkable.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Humans are sorta the top of the food chain, though stick them alone against a lion or other great cat and humans make a tasty meal. Humans also make great incubators for tiny things as well.
I've always been fascinated by the myth of the self made person. I've never met one who actually was. They were the result of a lot of different people's efforts, beginning with pop squirting it in and mom squirting them out, but were incapable of, or unwilling to, acknowledging that part of their story. And there are the tens of thousands of individuals tangentially involved in just that one birthing event, not to mention all of the thousands of events since.
I don't disagree that there are a fair amount of parasites in the population. I've met thousands of them over my lifetime. Problem is, we largely venerate our parasites.
A lot of us would rather be Mr Potter than George Bailey, and in our devotion to self centeredness, would rather be Cain than Abel.
Everything you just said. Wildly enough, there will those who simply will deny the logic you presented and maintain the myth of Robinson Crusoe, our highway, electric grid, fuel supply system, and every other network that makes tying this reply possible exists because of the human desire to congregate in groups and socialize.
 
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Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
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You present this opinion of yours as truth but it is not. No one person could ever account for the compassion that millions of average people bring to the world, no matter how remarkable.
Unless Andy Weir's "The Egg" is true.
 
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