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woodsroad

Lifer
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As someone who is admittedly low information re: EV's , I'm curious ........4 out of 5 of those states would be considered mild climates . DC maybe a little less so .
How well do these batteries hold a charge in places that have genuinely cold winters ?
Cold weather reduces the charge level the batteries are able to hold and decreases overall battery life. Just how much of a reduction is difficult to ascertain, since most "data" comes from sources with a vested interest in promoting EV's.

DC sees a higher number of EV's due to the virtue signalling value, the fact that it is a high-income urban area, and a greater availability of charging stations.
 

lraisch

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WTF kinda car do you drive? Have you ever tried to get gasoline to explode? It's not easy.

If we ever stop pumping oil, what will they make the plastic parts out of for the EV's? We are over 30 years away from having the electrical infrastructure to get enough power on the grid to charge that many cars, and when we do, it's not going to be pretty.

This was all just a hippie daydream, Gandpa Sunshine. But, if we ever do go all EV, then we will have lost the last drop of freedom we have as Americans. Might as well just all ride public transportation like commies if we no longer own our own cars, but just lease them like borrowed library books. I don't want to live in that swine infested commie land myself.
Ford Pinto?
 

jpberg

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Someday evs will be convenient and everyone will start buying them.
Don’t talk to me about affordable, I see too many 90k pickup trucks tooling around to buy that one.
 

georged

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I keep waiting for a photoshop adept to post a pic of somebody eating a salad, looking at his next forkful in disgust, captioned "Found a Jeep radiator in my leek"
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
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I bet someone in Bugtussle has tried.
We never, play with matches.

The Missouri boy went off on a ramble down among the Arkansawyers.

And bye and bye, he comes on one of them there concrete outhouses

So he relieves himself in there and zips up and starts to leave an an Arkansawyer boy says to him

In Arkansas were taught to warsh our hands after we take a piss

The Missouri boy said,

In Missouri we are taught to not piss on our hands.:)

(With complements to Vance Randolph, who used to come round my grandmother’s house far too often.:) )

——

Part of my tasks as deacon was to on December 7, for the loss of a deacon steering the USS Arizona, April 10, for the loss of a deacon steering the USS Thresher, and May 27, for the loss of a deacon steering the USS Scorpion, to go to the church with the family of the brave deacons who died on station and toll the bell, once for each year of earthly service those boys rendered the Master, lest we forget.

October 25, 1973 was a Thursday.


I was excused from school, by Miss Charlotte’s husband the Superindent. I had to get to my station at the church, right then.



The President had declared DEFCON III.


The Master told us there is no need for public prayer. That whatever we want He already knows, and such is vanity.

But there ain’t no atheists in a foxhole, and the prayers were thick and heavy in the church until it was announced the danger had passed.

The music sure was good, and the eats and drinks and sights were splendid!.:)


But my mother came up to me afterwards and did a lot of shoulder shaking with me promising her that-I-would-never-get-on-a-sub-mar-ine.:)

I was 15 years old when America lost cheap gasoline forever, because of the Yom Kipper War:

I have a friend who called his Mama on October 25, 1973 right before he went down into a ballistic missle silo.

We agree that’s all part of DEFCON III.

When a good Christian boy, calls his Mama, he’s about to end the world, you know?

One of the best things about windmills and solar panels and all that green energy is we’ll never send one boy to the Middle East to die for it.

No car with casualty officers bearing grim news, will ever arrive at his Mama’s home.

HAWKSHAW HAWKINS VERSION

 
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woodsroad

Lifer
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One of the best things about windmills and solar panels and all that green energy is we’ll never send one boy to the Middle East to die for it.
Nah, we’ll just mortgage our children’s future to China for the photovoltaic panels.

And just maybe we’ll still need plastics, makeup, vinegar, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, jet fuel, Vaseline and a zillion other things derived from crude oul.
 

jpberg

Lifer
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Are you trying to say I don't need my $150K brand new 4WD with a payment double that of my mortgage to go to the grocery store?
No no, I would never say that. I personally witnessed many Land Rovers, Mercedes Douchewagons, and Land Cruisers that have had to travel ON GRAVEL ROADS to get to their fishing clubs.
I mean, you never know what you’re going to run into between New Jersey and the Catskills in mid May.
 

lraisch

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27 people were killed in Ford Pintos. And since 2010, we’ve had 395 EVs blow up. Sure, let’s talk about Pintos.
Apples to apples. There are few hard statistics concerning Tesla fires. Many of them lump external causes into the mix. Also, there were 2.2 million Pintos sold as compared to 5.8 million Teslas.

Quote from Kelly Blue Book's study, EVs "are less likely to catch fire than gas-powered cars."

BTW, the Pinto reference was in jest, the car's safety record was actually comparable to other sub-compacts of the time.
 
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Apples to apples. There are few hard statistics concerning Tesla fires. Many of them lump external causes into the mix. Also, there were 2.2 million Pintos sold as compared to 5.8 million Teslas.

Quote from Kelly Blue Book's study, EVs "are less likely to catch fire than gas-powered cars."
Yes, that might (or might not) be true, but many EV fires happen while the vehicle is being charged. Like in a residential garage.
 

georged

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Regarding the new Plastic Cars in general... especially the ones that have essential features that can't be shut off like balancing the open window gap and the AC system output according to the average of the occupants' combined breath moisture and the outside ambient temperature, thereby estimating their need to have the rearview mirrors track their eye movements and adjust the gas pedal sensitivity accordingly... I can only say that if I won a billion dollar Powerball lottery jackpot I wouldn't touch one of those things with a ten foot pole.

What WOULD I drive? The same 1996 F-250HD stretch cab 4x4 7.3 diesel pickup I drive today... after taking it to the best ground-up "make it new again" truck shop in the country.
 

Briar Lee

Lifer
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Nah, we’ll just mortgage our children’s future to China for the photovoltaic panels.

And just maybe we’ll still need plastics, makeup, vinegar, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, jet fuel, Vaseline and a zillion other things derived from crude oul.

It was immediate, the Gas Crisis of 73/4.

In 1973, the insurance companies gave a discount on insurance for driver’s ed graduates and the car dealerships lent brand new sedans to the schools for the classes and there I was behind the wheel of a brand spanking new 1974 Chevy Impala four door hardtop with a 350 four barrel and I had to pass a car.

Coach Brashshears, said Van wait until the top of the hill.

I did, and pulled into the left lane, and heard that four barrel open the secondaries.

Damn, I thought. This thing is a dog compared to our 1970.:)


The curve sign still read 60, although the limit was 55.

And the country was just going to hell, the old men in the barbershop said, when gas passed fifty cents a gallon.

Headed to a dollar by Christmas they said.

Then it was before the Fourth of July.:)



It was late 1979 before they were right, another almost war, another oil shock, and fifty cent gas seemed cheap.


Those two oil shocks caused horrible recessions.

Filled the roads with little rice burners.


Every part of those new electric cars ought to be made in North America, and every volt of juice they use should be home grown.
 
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lraisch

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It was immediate, the Gas Crisis of 73/4.

In 1973, the insurance companies gave a discount on insurance for driver’s ed graduates and the car dealerships lent brand new sedans to the schools for the classes and there I was behind the wheel of a brand spanking new 1974 Chevy Impala four door hardtop with a 350 four barrel and I had to pass a car.

Coach Brashshears, said Van wait until the top of the hill.

I did, and pulled into the left lane, and heard that four barrel open the secondaries.

Damn, I thought. This thing is a dog compared to our 1970.:)


The curve sign still read 60, although the limit was 55.

And the country was just going to hell, the old men in the barbershop said, when gas passed fifty cents a gallon.

Headed to a dollar by Christmas they said.

Then it was before the Fourth of July.:)



It was late 1979 before they were right, another almost war, another oil shock, and fifty cent gas seemed cheap.


Those two oil shocks caused horrible recessions.

Filled the roads with little rice burners.


Every part of those new electric cars ought to be made in North America, and every volt of juice they use should be home grown.
When I worked driving a road service truck right out of high school, we only carried high test for those people who managed to run out of gas on the side of the Jersey Turnpike. People used to complain because their car only needed regular. Regular gas cost $.28 and the premium was $.32.

So that 5 gallon can cost them $1.60 instead of $1.40. Of course, the service call was $6.00.


I wonder what a bucket of electrons would cost.
 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
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Yes, that might (or might not) be true, but many EV fires happen while the vehicle is being charged. Like in a residential garage.

That sxxt is not cool.:)

There are millions of electric cars that operate for four cents a mile and go zero to sixty faster than a 426 Hemi Cuda.

And there are going to be millions and millions more sold every year until the last gasoline car gets sold to an old bachelor in the neck of Idaho.

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This country can’t have them burn up while charging!



They all use a standard Tesla plug.

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From across the years from the nadir of the 1982 Volker Recession, I can almost hear the voice of my old law professor telling us kids—-

A whole lot of people have lost a whole lot of money betting against the United States of America.:)

This country, makes the best electric cars on this planet, and for under $200 you can use your home as your gas station.

Be careful to check your wiring.

You can mount it outside on the light pole.

Never have to buy another drop of gasoline again.

Sing one, Merle:

 
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Briar Lee

Lifer
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Regarding the new Plastic Cars in general... especially the ones that have essential features that can't be shut off like balancing the open window gap and the AC system output according to the average of the occupants' combined breath moisture and the outside ambient temperature, thereby estimating their need to have the rearview mirrors track their eye movements and adjust the gas pedal sensitivity accordingly... I can only say that if I won a billion dollar Powerball lottery jackpot I wouldn't touch one of those things with a ten foot pole.

What WOULD I drive? The same 1996 F-250HD stretch cab 4x4 7.3 diesel pickup I drive today... after taking it to the best ground-up "make it new again" truck shop in the country.
On my unfilled bucket list is a straight six 300 brick style 80-96 Ford pickup.

When I rise to worlds unseen, my 2001 Dodge Cummins 5.9 HD 6 speed One Ton Dually Flatbed will still not yet be fully broken in.:)

The electric cars will come first.

When my father died in 1971 the scrap dealer bought his 60 year old threshing machine. His 80 year old binder sort of rotted away and melted into the ground.

His old land roller is still where he parked it, but it’s full of holes. His manure spreader wheels adorn the fancy corral Henry welded up a couple of years ago.

I’ll bet his 1953 Ford Jubilee tractor is still in service somewhere.

Those heavy duty trucks will need fuel for a long, long time.
 
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Regarding the new Plastic Cars in general... especially the ones that have essential features that can't be shut off like balancing the open window gap and the AC system output according to the average of the occupants' combined breath moisture and the outside ambient temperature, thereby estimating their need to have the rearview mirrors track their eye movements and adjust the gas pedal sensitivity accordingly... I can only say that if I won a billion dollar Powerball lottery jackpot I wouldn't touch one of those things with a ten foot pole.

What WOULD I drive? The same 1996 F-250HD stretch cab 4x4 7.3 diesel pickup I drive today... after taking it to the best ground-up "make it new again" truck shop in the country.

Technology does not always equal progress...sometimes it's actually anti-progress.
 

Briar Lee

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Technology does not always equal progress...sometimes it's actually anti-progress.
Blame the man in the mirror.

My mother’s new 1960 Ford had an automatic transmission

Her 1965 added power steering and power brakes.

The 1970 added air conditioning.

Then the 1973 had no vent windows.

And the 2003 Chrysler Sebring she died owning is still in daily service with almost 300,000 miles and power everything. I sold it to a friend.

I doubt if any new car has had crank windows for twenty years.

We won’t buy a basic car.

Tesla motors last a million miles between rebuilds.
 
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Blame the man in the mirror.

My mother’s new 1960 Ford had an automatic transmission

Her 1965 added power steering and power brakes.

The 1970 added air conditioning.

Then the 1973 had no vent windows.

And the 2003 Chrysler Sebring she died owning is still in daily service with almost 300,000 miles and power everything. I sold it to a friend.

I doubt if any new car has had crank windows for twenty years.

We won’t buy a basic car.

Tesla motors last a million miles between rebuilds.

I didn't say technology never equals progress...I said it doesn't always equal it. How do you know when it’s too much? Common sense.

And I just asked the man in the mirror...he said he stands by his statement.

PS: you can’t buy anything close to a “basic car” because they don’t make them anymore.
 
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