Found A Leak In My Jeep Radiator

[AreBee]

That's a biggie! I have 159K on my 2010 Wrangler. I replaced my radiator a few years ago. Alternator too around the same time, but for the most part it's been small wear and tear items, door latch, TPMS monitors, plugs and wires etc.

I do a lot of my own maintenance myself but when I bought it, the dealership gave me free oil changes for life. She just had her 53rd oil change last week.

FIAT didn't do the brand any favors, but Stellantis is killing Jeep, Dodge and Alfa Romeo with their corner cutting and price hikes.

 

[ziv]

Electric cars, have no radiators. No heater cores. No water pumps.

This is a misleading statement. Electric cars (good ones anyway) have very sophisticated heating/cooling systems, much more so than traditional gas cars. And if they don't, a slightly higher or lower than optimal ambient temperature will kill your big expensive battery in no time.

 

[Briar Lee]

This is a misleading statement. Electric cars (good ones anyway) have very sophisticated heating/cooling systems, much more so than traditional gas cars. And if they don't, a slightly higher or lower than optimal ambient temperature will kill your big expensive battery in no time.

Do they use antifreeze and fans?

I assume they use a conventional A/C.

Instead of 20% efficient they are 60%, but that 40% loss is a lot of heat.

I love these factoids:

As of February 2024, there were more than 40 million electric cars on the road globally. This number is growing quickly, with sales increasing by 35% in 2023 compared to 2022.

Explanation

• In 2023, nearly one in five cars sold globally was electric.
  
  
• The largest markets for electric vehicles are China, Europe, and the United States, which account for around 95% of all sales.
  
  
• Sales in emerging markets are increasing, led by Southeast Asia and Brazil.
  
  
• The share of electric cars in total sales has increased from around 4% in 2020 to 18% in 2023.
  
  
• The IEA predicts that electric cars could account for 20% of total car sales by the end of 2024.

 

[ziv]

Do they use antifreeze and fans?

I assume they use a conventional A/C.

Instead of 20% efficient they are 60%, but that 40% loss is a lot of heat.

I love these factoids:

As of February 2024, there were more than 40 million electric cars on the road globally. This number is growing quickly, with sales increasing by 35% in 2023 compared to 2022.

Explanation

• In 2023, nearly one in five cars sold globally was electric.
  
  
• The largest markets for electric vehicles are China, Europe, and the United States, which account for around 95% of all sales.
  
  
• Sales in emerging markets are increasing, led by Southeast Asia and Brazil.
  
  
• The share of electric cars in total sales has increased from around 4% in 2020 to 18% in 2023.
  
  
• The IEA predicts that electric cars could account for 20% of total car sales by the end of 2024.

Electric cars do use coolant to cool/heat the battery.
Moreover, unlike gas cars that have an engine which is a natural heat generator, electric cars have to implement a separate system for heating the cabin (and the battery) when it's cold outside. A gas engine would heat up quickly, allowing to heat up the cabin, but there's nothing in an electric that does the same. So a separate heating device needs to be added.

 

[Briar Lee]

Electric cars do use coolant to cool/heat the battery.
Moreover, unlike gas cars that have an engine which is a natural heat generator, electric cars have to implement a separate system for heating the cabin (and the battery) when it's cold outside. A gas engine would heat up quickly, allowing to heat up the cabin, but there's nothing in an electric that does the same. So a separate heating device needs to be added.

Where does all the waste heat go in the electric car?

Only 60% spins the wheels.

 

[woodsroad]

You really can't recall the RPG hit?

 

[ziv]

Where does all the waste heat go in the electric car?

Only 60% spins the wheels.

I have to assume it's emitted into the atmosphere, via the heat exchanger.

 

[woodsroad]

Do they use antifreeze and fans?

I assume they use a conventional A/C.

Instead of 20% efficient they are 60%, but that 40% loss is a lot of heat.

I love these factoids:

As of February 2024, there were more than 40 million electric cars on the road globally. This number is growing quickly, with sales increasing by 35% in 2023 compared to 2022.

Explanation

• In 2023, nearly one in five cars sold globally was electric.
  
  
• The largest markets for electric vehicles are China, Europe, and the United States, which account for around 95% of all sales.
  
  
• Sales in emerging markets are increasing, led by Southeast Asia and Brazil.
  
  
• The share of electric cars in total sales has increased from around 4% in 2020 to 18% in 2023.
  
  
• The IEA predicts that electric cars could account for 20% of total car sales by the end of 2024.

You have to consider the total efficiency, cradle to grave, for each system (gasoline/Diesel or electric). And those numbers are difficult to come by. In either system, losses and mitigating costs are everywhere, from money and energy consumed prospecting, harvesting, processing, refining and transporting the fuel, to the cost and carbon footprint of building generation stations, generation and transmission losses, carbon footprint and evironmental/social cost of battery and photovoltaic cell production.

If anyone knows of a good, non-partisan comparison, please post a link!

 

[Briar Lee]

You have to consider the total efficiency, cradle to grave, for each system (gasoline/Diesel or electric). And those numbers are difficult to come by. In either system, losses and mitigating costs are everywhere, from money and energy consumed prospecting, harvesting, processing, refining and transporting the fuel, to the cost and carbon footprint of building generation stations, generation and transmission losses, carbon footprint and evironmental/social cost of battery and photovoltaic cell production.

If anyone knows of a good, non-partisan comparison, please post a link!

The bottom line is Daddy and Mama each have gasoline buggies today.

Once in a blue moon they drive more than they can get back to the cottage on a tank of gas. They do have to gas up the buggies once a week about thirty dollars each.

When Mama finds out her new electric buggy costs an extra twenty some dollars on the electric bill each month, Daddy won’t be getting any more gasoline buggies, no he surely will not.

In time, some very brave politician will have to replace lost gas tax revenue.

Or else the bridges will fall in the rivers and such.

It’s not politics, it’s sheer household economics

 

[woodsroad]

The economics of electric vehicles is a lot more complicated than that. First, there are some increased maintenance costs, most notable for tires and batteries (when needed). How that compares to gas engines, I'm not sure. Second, there are a lot of subsidies for the electric car industry. When they go away (and they will) there will be some surprised electric car devotees. As you noted, at some point soon, we will be paying a road tax, based on mileage, closing the fuel tax loophole. That tax will likely be based not just on miles driven, but also on vehicle weight. Electric vehicles are on average 30% heavier, which also means that they need heavier tires, which still wear out faster.

How all this balances out in the end is a complex equation that lazy thinkers and those who proselytize EV's are not keen to examine. I honestly have no idea which is better, but as more and more EV's hit the road, there will need to be some huge upgrades to the nation's electric power generation and distribution system. Who will pay for that?

 

[lraisch]

I do not own an EV and don't consider myself a fanboy for them. However, if you want to make comparisons to gas vehicles, I suggest you look here

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths.

In particular, look at the study from the Argonne National Laboratory regarding lifetime greenhouse gas emissions for both types.

As for road taxes, we are already seeing proposals for mileage-based taxing in my area. One of the problems I have with that idea is that out of state drivers will not be paying it.

 

[BingBong]

The economics of electric vehicles is a lot more complicated than that. First, there are some increased maintenance costs, most notable for tires and batteries (when needed). How that compares to gas engines, I'm not sure. Second, there are a lot of subsidies for the electric car industry. When they go away (and they will) there will be some surprised electric car devotees. As you noted, at some point soon, we will be paying a road tax, based on mileage, closing the fuel tax loophole. That tax will likely be based not just on miles driven, but also on vehicle weight. Electric vehicles are on average 30% heavier, which also means that they need heavier tires, which still wear out faster.

There are proposals in my borough of London to penalize Teslas and such owing to weight and extra wear and tear on infrastructure, through parking surcharges. The thinking is, if you can afford one of them, the surcharge is just loose change (albeit hundreds of pounds annually).

 

[woodsroad]

There are proposals in my borough of London to penalize Teslas and such owing to weight and extra wear and tear on infrastructure, through parking surcharges. The thinking is, if you can afford one of them, the surcharge is just loose change (albeit hundreds of pounds annually).

Is that just some really f’d up thinking? They want everyone to drive an EV, regardless of income, so that they can demonize them as “rich”?

 

[jpberg]

It's a little bit akin to the FIAT (Fix It Again Tony) experience.

Speaking as a survivor of both an x1/9 and a TR7, I will say that Fix It Again Tony was less painful.
Swear to God, youthful stupidity is awesome and powerful.

 

[sablebrush52]

Speaking as a survivor of both an x1/9 and a TR7, I will say that Fix It Again Tony was less painful.
Swear to God, youthful stupidity is awesome and powerful.

My oldest brother went through a series of foreign made sportscars, Fiat, Alpha Romeo, Triumph, etc, all of which excelled at needing repairs and leaving a trail of parts, as well as other challenges. He never got discouraged, just kept fixing them and then moving onto the next junker.

 

[Briar Lee]

The economics of electric vehicles is a lot more complicated than that. First, there are some increased maintenance costs, most notable for tires and batteries (when needed). How that compares to gas engines, I'm not sure. Second, there are a lot of subsidies for the electric car industry. When they go away (and they will) there will be some surprised electric car devotees. As you noted, at some point soon, we will be paying a road tax, based on mileage, closing the fuel tax loophole. That tax will likely be based not just on miles driven, but also on vehicle weight. Electric vehicles are on average 30% heavier, which also means that they need heavier tires, which still wear out faster.

How all this balances out in the end is a complex equation that lazy thinkers and those who proselytize EV's are not keen to examine. I honestly have no idea which is better, but as more and more EV's hit the road, there will need to be some huge upgrades to the nation's electric power generation and distribution system. Who will pay for that?

Mama says she wants to save the planet.


But what Mama really wants is to save money.

More factoids:

(Or, why cars are dead in favor of the SUV)

Women influence over 85% of car purchases in the United States. Women are also a significant portion of the auto market, owning a large percentage of registered passenger vehicles.

Explanation

• Women are increasingly owning cars and making up a significant portion of the auto market.
  
  
• Research has found that women influence more than 85 percent of all car purchases.
  
  
• Women buy 54% of the cars in the United States.
  
  
• Female salespeople often bring a different, often more empathetic approach to sales, which can be appealing to both male and female customers.
  

Xxxx

Since Mama is very practical, the planet will keep burning until the new SUV that’s electric is $100 a month less than the gas SUV. Only then, will the planet be saved.

Powering all those electric SUV Mamamobiles wil be the cheapest form of off peak power, which is wind, at two cents per kilowatt hour.

Wind energy prices drop to 2 cents per kilowatt hours - Daily Energy Insider

Wind energy prices in the United States are being driven lower by technology advancements and cost reductions, a report from the U.S. Department of Energy and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory revealed. Specifically, it found that ... Read More »

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Who will suffer the most is the convenience store industry.

Once Mama gets her electric buggy she won’t be going back to the local Corner Circle Dash. She’ll stop on trips at super nice truck stops (Travel Centers) that have lots of things for her children to do while the buggy charges.

And, we can’t stop it, if we wanted to stop it.

The good news is we’ll get used to it, and forget about buying gasoline.

 

[Ahi Ka]

@Briar Lee i preferred your ruminating before you discovered the google AI assistant. And your other assistants brought you cherry tobacco too!

 

[jpberg]

My oldest brother went through a series of foreign made sportscars, Fiat, Alpha Romeo, Triumph, etc, all of which excelled at needing repairs and leaving a trail of parts, as well as other challenges. He never got discouraged, just kept fixing them and then moving onto the next junker.

When I grew up and got smart I moved on to Land Rovers.

Okay, so you can scratch the “got smart” bit.

 

[VDL_Piper]

When I grew up and got smart I moved on to Land Rovers.

Okay, so you can scratch the “got smart” bit.

Just purchased a new Defender........I'm crossing everything let me tell you.

 

[Briar Lee]

I do not own an EV and don't consider myself a fanboy for them. However, if you want to make comparisons to gas vehicles, I suggest you look here

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths.

In particular, look at the study from the Argonne National Laboratory regarding lifetime greenhouse gas emissions for both types.

As for road taxes, we are already seeing proposals for mileage-based taxing in my area. One of the problems I have with that idea is that out of state drivers will not be paying it.

All my life, people say they are worried about the environment.

They are really, worried about is old Number One:

The electric car today uses a battery ten times cheaper than ten years ago.

Everything else from bumper to bumper is a car we’ve all seen and ridden in and owned all our lives.

The beauty of America is competition, among fat cats trying to be billionaires.

Xxxxx

Tesla's share of new electric vehicle (EV) sales in the United States fell below 50% in the second quarter of 2024. This was the first time the company's market share dropped below 50% in a quarter.

Explanation

• Tesla's market share fell from 59.3% in the second quarter of 2023 to 49.7% in the second quarter of 2024.
  
  
• Other automakers, including Ford, Kia, and Hyundai, gained market share as Tesla's sales declined.
  
  
• The increased competition is leading to lower prices and increased EV adoption.
  
  
• Tesla's sales also declined in 2024, marking the company's first annual sales drop in over a decade.

Other EV sales trends

• Overall EV sales increased to a record in the third quarter of 2024.
• General Motors' EV sales increased significantly in the third quarter.
• Ford was fourth in EV sales in the third quarter.
• Honda and Acura also contributed more than 15,000 EV sales in the third quarter.

Xxxxx

Henry Ford made the first modern affordable car in 1908.

Walter P Chrysler made the first car that would cruise at 60 all day in 1924.

By 1934 Clyde Barrow would only steal brand new Fords and was driving hundreds of miles a day.

It’s hard to say, but the first Ford that would cruise at 80 all day on the interstate was the 1954 Y block Ford.

The next year Chevy introduced the small block that still powers big Chevy trucks today, although modified.

A slow electric car, is much, much faster than a 55 Chevy.

Without electronic traction control they’d be undrivable because of the tremendous torque.

Think of all those smart engineers working on new electric car batteries.

The goal is a $30,000 EV with 600 horsepower that weighs 3000 pounds and a 400 mile true range.

Once everybody has a 427 Shelby Cobra that will haul something besides axx, we won’t want gas cars.