Thanks for sharing Pipestud. I recall reading about your experience with PP when you were having issues. Have you considered using Stripe to process payments on your site?
Deep Dislike Of Paypal
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I hate both EBay and PayPal. Used to sell high end cards on EBay.
Sold an autographed Orr signed stick to a buyer in Canada.
I sent via Registered mail; so tracking AND signature, as well as insured the item for $600.
Low and behold, buyer claimed he didn’t receive the card. Both EBay AND PayPal contacted me and sought proof.
I gladly sent them a scan of both the tracking number AND the signature of buyer. Meanwhile, buyer had his cc company stop payment.
So at this point; I’m out a $600 item, plus PayPal and EBay fees. My sellers fees, plus pp took additional fees as they declared item not received.
THEN, they decided to “refund” buyer $600!!!! (Remember, he already cancelled payment, so he paid NOTHING!)
At this point I’m out $600 item AND $600 PLUS fees.
On top of that; there’s no way to give negative feedback (and thus alert other sellers) about a buyer.
I asked PP, “Why would you request proof, receive proof, and still side with buyer? On top of that, why steal $600 from me to “refund” money I never received?”
I basically got “Oops, our bad”
I asked “How’s about I pull that scam with the gold sellers on EBay? Will I both receive the Gold, plus get the value of the Gold when I stop payment?”
I had to get a lawyer involved. Fortunately it was my uncle who did it pro bono.
I always ate shipping cost, so I could ship via tracking and signature (signature when item was over $50). Just to avoid such situations. But even adhering to their recommendations, I still got screwed. And the scheming douche that fraudulently got the item, made out like a bandit (He was PAID to take a $600 item) and they didn’t even have the decency to close his account, so who knows how many others he scammed.
Sold an autographed Orr signed stick to a buyer in Canada.
I sent via Registered mail; so tracking AND signature, as well as insured the item for $600.
Low and behold, buyer claimed he didn’t receive the card. Both EBay AND PayPal contacted me and sought proof.
I gladly sent them a scan of both the tracking number AND the signature of buyer. Meanwhile, buyer had his cc company stop payment.
So at this point; I’m out a $600 item, plus PayPal and EBay fees. My sellers fees, plus pp took additional fees as they declared item not received.
THEN, they decided to “refund” buyer $600!!!! (Remember, he already cancelled payment, so he paid NOTHING!)
At this point I’m out $600 item AND $600 PLUS fees.
On top of that; there’s no way to give negative feedback (and thus alert other sellers) about a buyer.
I asked PP, “Why would you request proof, receive proof, and still side with buyer? On top of that, why steal $600 from me to “refund” money I never received?”
I basically got “Oops, our bad”
I asked “How’s about I pull that scam with the gold sellers on EBay? Will I both receive the Gold, plus get the value of the Gold when I stop payment?”
I had to get a lawyer involved. Fortunately it was my uncle who did it pro bono.
I always ate shipping cost, so I could ship via tracking and signature (signature when item was over $50). Just to avoid such situations. But even adhering to their recommendations, I still got screwed. And the scheming douche that fraudulently got the item, made out like a bandit (He was PAID to take a $600 item) and they didn’t even have the decency to close his account, so who knows how many others he scammed.
I’m afraid I cannot go along with an experience, I’ve never had. The tale just seems like there is something missing. Why would PP arbitrarily withhold our good friend’s $?
My buddy had same thing happen to him. Bad enough there are scammers, but when the supposed impartial advocates side with the scammers in the face of mounds of evidence that they ARE scammers; it’s just frustrating to the core.
Not to mention, they tolerate shill bidders, that are just in league with a seller. Got a notice one time that I “Won” a bid for a Jersey. I was surprised, as there were 4! Bidders that outbid me. EBay told me they backed out. So I asked, why aren’t ALL of their bids null and void then? Thus reducing my bid to opening since none of them apparently intended to purchase the product,?
EBay told me that was their “policy” to just go down to the buyer with highest bid. So they tried getting me to purchase an item that 4 others bid me up on, and all 4 outbid me then backed out, and suddenly I’m the winner. But at an inflated price (grossly inflated) via the bids these folks made BELOW my bid?? ? Told EBay to screw off, and backed out myself. Got a three month suspension for that, but I wasn’t gonna be a patsy.
I closed my eBay account around 2004 after they changed the policy where a seller could no longer leave feedback. That was after 6000+ sales.
PP is like any other bloated business entity. They will walk that legal line and try to get away with anything they can. Legal action is the only thing that gets their attention. My wife has a business account, which is a little better, but they still take liberties. Sooner or later, they'll get enough pissed off people to bring a class-action suit, and that may just get some results. But I wouldn't hold my breath...
Yet buyers can leave any BS feedback they want. I sent a $0.99 card to a guy, FREE SHIPPING, WITH TRACKING on day after auction ended (It was a PM auction, so I COULDN’T ship on day of auction); and buyer claimed “slow shipping”?
I looked through his previous reviews, and ALL were negative. He DM’d me looking for free item and saying he’d adjust the review.? A 99 cent item!
Knowing he was a wanker probably pulling the same grift on others, I opted not to.
Add to that, buyers that claim “item not as described”. Every time someone would do that, I knew I was about to be screwed. I mean they’re sports cards, and most high end/graded.
EVERY time that was claimed, Id be forced to offer refund, knowing they’d either A) Not send the card back, B) Send an empty envelope back, just show they could show a tracking # to eBay as “proof”they returned the card.
I even sold a Ovechkin, Graded, 1/1 Card and scammers pulled the ?. Then claimed he returned Card, and stupidly enough posted the card FOR SALE!
I contacted EBay for the fraud, and PROVED it COULDNT be another similar card since it’s 1/1!!!! EBay simply refunded my sellers fees???
If I was a douche scammer, I’d pull the same schemes, cause I’ve seen them all.
But I wouldn’t do that to someone else.
I use PayPal all the time. It’s actually helped me out quite a few times.
yep I had the same thing.
Sold a couple of expensive pipes on ebay ,the buyer paid via paypal and the money was held by paypal.
I queried the hold with ebay who said not us so contacted paypal and was told because the transactions were larger then my usual ones (it was about 900 USD) we will release the funds when the pipe is shown as delivered,
Well delivery was made and 2 weeks later the money was still on hold,I had to contact paypal another 3 times demanding my money before it was released
I guess if they do this with enough accounts and hold for a week or two the interest accrued is substantial
If I was still on eBay I'm not so sure if I would be thrilled about them now making you use their payment system. They claim it's for security but everyone knows it's so they can make more money.
yep they sit in your money for a while = interest gained = more profit.
What was I supposed to do? Bitch and whine about something that never happened? I use PayPal every day. I’ve never had a problem.
Maybe you’re the problem, not PayPal.
Did that add to the fascinating tale of woe?
This is disconcerting. I use PP a couple of times a week, only F and F, to pay entry fees for a golf tourney among friends. And to pay for coffee jointly bought with a friend. Max transaction is $20, and most are all of $5.
Balance now a high of $37, and it will be drawn down soon.
Question: It now runs in and out of a checking account but perhaps I should change to a CC. Should I? And how do you do it.
Balance now a high of $37, and it will be drawn down soon.
Question: It now runs in and out of a checking account but perhaps I should change to a CC. Should I? And how do you do it.
I've never linked my bank account to PP because they're not as heavily regulated. If I ever had to, I'd start a new account solely for linking to PP.
You can add a credit card fairly easily and set a default payment method. If you use CC for F&F transactions you will pay a fee.