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bluto

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Hey camera guys , what’s a good inexpensive camera to get , say around 200 dollars ?

 

brian64

Lifer
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ashdigger

Lifer
Jul 30, 2016
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Get a Sony a6500 and stop fucking around. I take roughly 40,000 pictures a year. It is by far the best camera I've ever owned. I use the kit lens and flash.
Stellar performance and I can't use Photoshop or any other manipulative software. The camera just delivers.
I use a 64gb SD card.....is that too many gbs.....am I hoarding.
I also have four batteries....oh the horror.

 

bluto

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 24, 2018
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Woof , nice rig , but with all the doo dads it goes north of 2000 bucks pretty fast
I’m not spending 2000 on a camera nor a tobacco pipe , just got too many better ideas on how to use good hard cash

 

woodsroad

Lifer
Oct 10, 2013
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21,929
SE PA USA
I find the A6500 to be subpar. I have several lenses:
10-16 4.0

16-50 (kit lens)

18-105 4.0

Sigma 16 1.4
Autofocus is slow in low light and unreliable. Better with the fast Sigma lens, but I need zooms for a lot of the kind of work that I do. Image quality form the A6500 is good, but noisy at higher ISO settings, even when compared to other APS-C sensors like that on my Canon 7D MkII. Skin tones are little odd and images are overall a little milky, especially at higher ISO settings. Firmware is convoluted, geared more towards the consumer who reads feature lists than the working photographer. It's not terribly intuitive and doesn't remember the last used page setting, as the Canon does, so when you go to a particular page in search of the last-used setting, you have to search for that submenu again. Buttons are too close together for such a small camera, and the buttons are multi-functional, so it's easy to knock one in the wrong direction and get sent into a submenu. Histogram disappears when using the exposure compensation (WTF?).
And, in case you are going to say that maybe it's just a problem with MY camera, I do have two of them!
I expect a lot of my cameras, and they have to work quickly. I rarely feel that my Canon DSLR's slow me down, but the Sony's do, too often, and I miss photos because of them.
Battery life is dismal at best. I carry ten batteries.
Body is actually too small for my hands. The camera needs a battery grip.
That said, I like the mirrorless function a lot, less from an aesthetic standpoint and more for the fact that they give you immediate feedback on how the image will look. I'll go all mirrorless as soon as Canon puts out a pro-level camera.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,373
18,649
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Hey camera guys , what’s a good inexpensive camera to get , say around 200 dollars ?
Bluto: What's your end use and what do you wish to shoot? Family snaps? Big enlargements? Scenics?
Different cameras and/or lenses for different needs. I've not seen a mirrorless designed for use as a "wildlife" camera. I'm not a fan "digital" viewfinders.
The choice of camera or lenses is entirely dependent on the projected use of the equipment and the desired end product. There is no "one size fits all".
One doesn't need 12 frames per second (fps) for vistas/scenics. One does need 12+ fps for birds in flight, sports, rutting sheep, etc. For product shoots one needs the ability to capture detail. Pin sharp lenses are a detriment when shooting models. Bokeh? Terribly important when shooting many portraits, human or critter.
Just remember, in the age of digital, number of pixels is less important than the size (amount of information collected) of the pixels.
There simply is no single camera body for a professional or serious shooter. And, unless traveling my zoom lenses never leave the house. The exception would be for a sporting event where large, finished prints are not the intended use.
Nikon's "firmware" Expeed dictates Nikon for low light, high ISO shooting. Not that a competent shooter couldn't make due with Canon or other brands. Expeed is just unrivaled on the market today.
Equipment has a great impact on image. What's between the shooter's ears has a greater impact. The trick is to not stress the gear, shoot within the capabilities of the gear at hand.
I'm guessing most casual shooters would be totally satisfied with the latest generation of phone cameras. Apple has some fantastic software in the iPhone right now. Can't speak to other brands.
Above that, depending on the desired end product, go for "full-frame" if detail, faithful color, and large prints are desired. So called "cropped" frame cameras simply do not capture the detail required as the pixels are small and do not collect a ton of information. Also, for Nikon full frames, I can drop into crop mode and, for all intents and purposes, extend a lens' range and still get a satisfactory image. I still have the luxury of large pixels, just fewer of them. And, don't forget more pixels (more information) requires larger, faster buffers or one gets an unacceptable lag when shooting action shots in strings of 40-60 shots.
Kodachrome is no longer available. Ergo, I no longer shoot film. Digital, while it handles light differently than film, now surpasses Kodachrome 64. There was a learning curve, a steep one, when I switched.
And, lastly, for what it is worth, I would rather be out shooting than post processing. I believe in getting it right in the camera as much as humanly possible. Gotta love being able to look at a shot, even on the tiny screen, at the time of the shot, check the levels, etc. and then, if the subject stays still (hardly happens) reshoot. Or the ability to shoot multi-exposures with one press of the shutter release. Damn! I've come to love the digital age photography in spite of my early misgivings. JPEG and RAW in the same instant. The list of pluses just goes on and on, for my type of shooting anyway.

 

bluto

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 24, 2018
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Thanks warren
It would have to be rugged , going from young hand to old , surviving knapsacks and car trunks , camping trips and air travel. Mostly scenic shots and family time stuff. No real need for specialized high speed action stills or movies. I try to capture moon pictures from time to time , all I ever used was apple or android cameras.
I would really like it if it talked to other devices without the need for proprietary software , my pet peeve is having to download yet another app or driver simply to transfer an image or upload to a server or email. Willing to go a bit upscale if the darn thing lasts a least one or two product generations before becoming obsolete.

 

ashdigger

Lifer
Jul 30, 2016
11,391
70,252
61
Vegas Baby!!!
Dan, we take different kinds of pictures.
I love it because I run mine at 8 megapixel and I have a pin in the bottom for a belt "holster" so I can hang it and still use my hands for shovel work, diagrams, etc.
Btw, you're still wrong. Lol

 

ron123

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Jan 28, 2015
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Park Ridge, IL
Now this is a thread!!! LOL I don't know how many pounds of tobacco I have in total, but well over 50lbs for sure. If reading that that pisses someone off, then good. I got a chuckle just from typing it.
Oh, and btw, I've got way more pipes than I need, too. Neener, neener, neener, pppfffffffffttttttttttt

 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
26,264
30,360
Carmel Valley, CA
Warren asks the pertinent questions. For you use I'd suggest an iPhone. Its camera is under $200, if you allocate most of the cost to the phone, mapping, internet and other functions. Integration is superb.

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
21,085
50,818
Southern Oregon
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One of my friends shoots production stills and product photography. He's very good at what he does, good enough that Canon hired him to photograph some of their product line. He loves to use his cell phone to take shots on the trail. Within certain limits, not good for low light level photography, an iPhone does exceptionally well.

 

bluto

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Aug 24, 2018
737
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I’m a android guy , but yes, the new moto g5 happens to have a kickass camera. Just wish for something like a dedicated camera because it’s handsy and optionally lots of glass optics for zoom and light gathering.
Maybe it’s just me , but by the time I get my camera app working ... button , swipe , unlock , tap , turn , focus .. picture..... the moment is gone .
Camera , on , click ... done .

 

bluto

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 24, 2018
737
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Integration , don’t want another Kodak app to download and update and then blog about to get it to work out bugs since it doesn’t talk to bluto5.11 but only talks to Bluto5.11v2
Low cost , the damn thing will be worth 7 dollars next year
High optic and ease of use , because it’s a camera , not a typewriter or have a need to chat to me with an Australian accent and recommend I buy merino argyle socks.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,373
18,649
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Bluto: I'd suggest going to Nikon's, Canon's or any other manufacturer's site and look at last generation refurbs. Particularly what I call "grab" cameras, all in ones, with a zoom lens (some of which may be digital), reasonably compact and in the "automatic" mood can be brought into action quickly.
Do a little research, find one that'll provide decent quality then, check Adorama and other vendors for their price or order from the manufacturer. Before cameras in phones got so good, especially for scenic, I always carried one in a pocket for everything from a moose in the yard to the grandson taking steps.
Nikon's line are usually "Coolpix XXX."

 

thehappypiper

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Feb 27, 2014
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Every camera system has its own pros and cons. Low light Af is the achilles heel of the A6000 also, but the A7III and A9 do much better.

Nikon design beautiful cameras but can't seem to make them these days.

Canon colour is the sweetest but Sony colour rendition from RAW on Capture One is a breeze. It is amazing how much of a difference your editor makes these day.

Happy shooting to everyone!

 

bluto

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 24, 2018
737
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So Kay ... looks like nothing but abysmal reviews for el cheapo dedicated cameras, which phones can blow out of the water .canon power shots etc at Best Buy just not doing it.
Let’s up the ante , 500 to 800 bucks , seems can get me into a 5000 series Nikon dslr .
Any recommendations along those lines ?

 

sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
21,085
50,818
Southern Oregon
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Canon colour is the sweetest but Sony colour rendition from RAW on Capture One is a breeze.
It all looks good to me. Anything is better than calculating gamma values for color separation masters and putting them through a Houston Fearless. And it's nice not to have to pick critical exposures for a "do or die" composite shot with nothing but a Prostar through which to run dip tests.
I like the malleability of digital data and 26 years of working Photoshop in production leaves me with no fears when it comes to image manipulation.
The picture taking equipment is great, wonderful glass, great third party apps, people can pointlessly argue all day long about which maker is best, or pretend that they can see minute differences that aren't there, whatever.
At some point I'll get back into more intense picture taking. For now, it's just fun collecting images and painting backgrounds for a dog, a rabbit, a duck, a tasmanian devil, or whatever is needed.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,373
18,649
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Going that route means lenses, bags and the like.
Screw the reviews! Well, when discussing products large manufacturers. Take a media card into a shop and shoot some pictures. You'll want to note how fast the gear acquires focus, frames per second?, fit in the hand, control placement, etc. Take the card home and check to see what you think. You are not looking at "built for pros" cameras. The D5000's are DX (cropped format), and any of them will do what you want. It's just that you are going to want more lenses which adds costs, bulk, remember the lens you want is always at the house or in the car. If you can stand the "mirrorless" they'll be appearing used and refurbished in numbers fairly soon. Factory refurbished came with warranty. You've got a lot of options when you bump up your budget.
NikonUSA has a couple of decent deals on refurbished DX bodies with lens combinations. I'm betting Canon, Olympus, etc. have similar deals. When you are dealing with so-called "consumer level" cameras and lenses there isn't a nickle's worth of difference generation to generation. At least until you acquire some experience with the systems. The benefit to you using "consumer" grade cameras is usually lighter weight compared to the "pro" level which are built weather sealed, more metal, bigger sensors (DX compared to FX", and a lot more money. They'll still handle the normal wear and tear of travel and hiking. They just won't take a ten foot drop, monsoon or dust storm.
$800 will also make some older generation "professional" builds available. Check used/demo cameras at Adorama, 47th Street Photo, and others for prices on demos, used, trade-ins, and get the most for your moneys. I can only speak to the two named above and state that their ratings are "right on."

 
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