Buyer Beware Ebay Member whizkidfbi

[ben88]

ebay fees

if deal is cancelled, there are no fees to be paid. Seller just wants $16.

seller says he will refund

or, after getting back the tin, he'll claim that item he received back is different/damaged...

 

[rx2man]

Trading with ben88, philipa4 and lazar was so much easier then dealing with empty tins!!

 

[kola]

Seeing the pics of the paper liner would have red flagged it for me.
As far as blaming the buyer, I don't think that's so, as some people are more trusting and unaware of scammers especially the older folks.
I bet we'll start to see more of this shit coming down the pike.
Good of you to help, rx2man.

 

[balkisobrains]

Obviously the guy was being shady with his listing, and that low-feedback bidder is shady, but aren't the paper liners on top of the sealed metal lids to begin with? Not sure why those would be the tell that this was an empty tin. :puffpipe:

 

[pitchfork]

The paper insert on Christmas Cheer sits between the tin lid and the plastic cap -- has nothing to do with it being an open tin or not.
But for whoever bought it, glad to hear that he'll get most of his money back.

 

[balkisobrains]

I guess they are saying that since the paper liner was not shown being held up by the metal lid, it lends to the shadiness of the whole thing. Just a whole bunch of shadiness going on there. The seller is probably going on about how it says "tin" right in the title, and "What did the buyer expect?", and the buyer is left trying to get a refund by either admitting to Ebay that he is shopping there for tobacco, which might end up back-firing on him as well, or he's coming up with some other excuse as to why he wants his money back.

 

[pitchfork]

I guess they are saying that since the paper liner was not shown being held up by the metal lid, it lends to the shadiness of the whole thing.

Oh, I see. I guess that makes sense.

 

[lazar]

Trading with ben88, philipa4 and lazar was so much easier then dealing with empty tins!!

I guess you haven't figured out that those Eso tins I sent you are really filled with 1Q. :rofl:

 

[rx2man]

"I guess you haven't figured out that those Eso tins I sent you are really filled with 1Q. :rofl:"
Thats not funny.....OK, yes it is.

 

[metalheadycigarguy]

I don't see a problem with the listing. It says;

McClelland Christmas Cheer 2000 Pipe Tobacco Tin Rare Vintage Collectible

I don't see anything about "Sealed Tin" or "Un-opened Tin." It also says;

Condition: Used: An item that has been used previously. See the seller’s listing...

As you can see, it clearly says used, and used previously; which tells me it's been opened and is most likely an empty tin. Whenever I've looked at auctions for Esoterica blends or McClelland blends lately to see the craziness of people; I've almost always seen "Sealed Tin" or "New, unused, unopened" etc. My guess is the buyer got caught up in the McClelland Madness going on and didn't read the listing carefully and he got burned.
If you're buying something on ebay and you're not sure of its condition etc. then ask the seller a question before bidding. It's simple, and if the person doesn't answer your question its probably a good idea not to bid on that item.

 

[balkisobrains]

I believe that ultimately, Ebay wants any proper tobacco container seller to show a completely empty container with no tobacco in the pictures, so the seller could be given a problem anyway, even if he was an innocent victim of shillers and whatever else was going on there. From what I understand, actual tin collectors do not value the contents, just the tins and the labels, even if it is open. If you have a tin with some rust inside, and the label/exterior is good, then the interior rust does not make as much difference to the value, from what I gather.

 

[rokerdepipe]

Deplorable, the whole thing. The only (and I mean only) thing that would have gotten me to send a message to the seller was the fact that the inner paper cover was being shown. That's usually "inside" the tin and present when you open it, is it not? Or is it tucked under the plastic lid before you get to the pop top?

 

[woodsroad]

I fail to see the problem. The listing was clear. The buyer didn’t read it and/or made assumptions without asking questions.
My outrage level stands at zero.

 

[derekflint]

It says Collectible Tin in plain English. IMO the seller timed this perfectly...He knows people are so obsessed with anything McClelland's that they would jump on it without reading it properly. It reminds me a bit like putting buck lure out when hunting...The buck gets a whiff of it, throws caution to the wind and comes running in....

 

[woodsroad]

I wouldn’t be quick to attribute intent on the part of the seller. He may very well know nothing about McClelland.

 

[kola]

[/quote]I guess they are saying that since the paper liner was not shown being held up by the metal lid, it lends to the shadiness of the whole thing. Just a whole bunch of shadiness going on there. The seller is probably going on about how it says "tin" right in the title, and "What did the buyer expect?", and the buyer is left trying to get a refund by either admitting to Ebay that he is shopping there for tobacco, which might end up back-firing on him as well, or he's coming up with some other excuse as to why he wants his money back.

That was my thinking, yes. Who would remove the paper from the lid just to photograph it? It ssems to me that any ordinary guy would just snap a picture of the top of the tin with the paper in it's place. But he coudn't do that because the top tin was gone. He could have been creative and glued the paper to the plastic lid then put the lid back on.
It still seems scammy to me and I think the seller played out a good balancing act to lure in a unsuspecting desperate McClelland chaser. And yes, the seller did list it as "used" which kinda' covers his ass. The hungry buyer should have caught that as well and sent him a question regarding it.
With old GLP tins (2000-2004 and rust issues) I can see some sellers not knowing about the problems and honestly asking a price that the market bears but this "McClelland peek-a-boo empty tin caper" was a completely different scenario.
I'm interested to see how it plays out.

 

[derekflint]

He may very well know nothing about McClelland.

I doubt it..........

 

[uperepik]

Ok, if you go to “about this item” then hit “see all item conditions” it says new and unused. It’s not for another item, it’s for the $160 tin, however if he refunded then I guess all is well.

 

[pitchfork]

Ok, if you go to “about this item” then hit “see all item conditions” it says new and unused. It’s not for another item, it’s for the $160 tin, however if he refunded then I guess all is well.

I think you're seeing ebay's definition of terms, one of which is "new"; the seller listed this as "used."
But still, "caveat empty tin."

 

[balkisobrains]

Whether he intended to or not, I think that we can all agree that he did not show the complete insides of an empty container in his pictures, which Ebay says they want, unless they changed that. For a while they were saying that you needed to show an empty container with no tobacco in it, if you wanted to list the container. Naturally the seller would be expected to ship the empty container and nothing else. It sounds like the seller is issuing some sort of refund to the buyer.