I'm really surprised Walmart hasn't adopted a no hire policy against smokers... I'm sure it'll happen soon. Walmart has already removed the smoking area from the employee lounge in almost all stores, and they have a big campaign going trying to encourage employees to give up tobacco.
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No offense to anyone, but I stay in a lot of hotel rooms, most are Marriott's. I sure don't want to smell cigarette or other smoke in my room, so I am a fan of their policy. The Courtyard properties have a very nice area to smoke outside and most have a covered smoking area near one of the side doors. That works for me.
I really like this thread, but have not come across anything to add to this list.
This is essentially a bump so I'm hoping new members that joined in the last 3 months can add to the list of places that have placed unreasonable/unfair/unruly/stupid restrictions on smokers.
@misterrogers - I like your style. Maybe I need to brush up with some smoking laws/loopholes for Texas. See what situations I can avoid. Very cool. Of course the Police officer that read your card deserves some credit as well for being a reasonable human being!
This is essentially a bump so I'm hoping new members that joined in the last 3 months can add to the list of places that have placed unreasonable/unfair/unruly/stupid restrictions on smokers.
@misterrogers - I like your style. Maybe I need to brush up with some smoking laws/loopholes for Texas. See what situations I can avoid. Very cool. Of course the Police officer that read your card deserves some credit as well for being a reasonable human being!
I was attending my Medical/Surgical Nursing class yesterday. The obigitory smoking policy came up for our clinical sites. They preceded to tell us that "Clark Memorial Hospital" in Jeffersonville, IN as a part of their policy had advocated the firing of a Clinical Instructor for smoking in her own car in the parking lot. They have a special code to alert security that someone in the building has a visible tobacco product, people are promptly and rudely escorted off the premisis and told not to return. This applies to anything tobacco related, pipe, cigar, can of dip, cigarette box, even a lighter. Fortunately, my smoking is limited to the barbershop and various deserted public parks.
Note: I'm only speaking about nicotine addicts here 99.9% of which smoke cigs (in my experience anyway).
I don't know that I'd go so far as to say I wouldn't hire a smoker, but a smoker would have to bring a lot more to the table than a non smoker skill/knowledge/talent wise. The smokers I've worked with seem to put work that they're being paid to do behind their habit, even when the work is semi critical (kinda sucks when you can't get in touch with anyone in IT because they're out on smoke breaks and doctors can't get to patient charts (true story)). Plus, sorry, but I just don't like the smell of a cig smoker post smoke break. The odor invaded my cube several times a day at my last job. Right now while I'm living in a 30 man tent the odor invades my living area...which is even worse. I'm in no way in favor of any kind of outright bans but you can't help personal preference on some things. And I do think that private establishments should be able to ban/allow smoking at their own discretion. I'm pretty much against any kind of goverment intervention
So no, the gov shouldn't be able to tell a private business what they can and can't allow. Not being able to smoke in a bar because it's illegal is just plain dumb IMHO. Sorry...probably went a bit OT there
I don't know that I'd go so far as to say I wouldn't hire a smoker, but a smoker would have to bring a lot more to the table than a non smoker skill/knowledge/talent wise. The smokers I've worked with seem to put work that they're being paid to do behind their habit, even when the work is semi critical (kinda sucks when you can't get in touch with anyone in IT because they're out on smoke breaks and doctors can't get to patient charts (true story)). Plus, sorry, but I just don't like the smell of a cig smoker post smoke break. The odor invaded my cube several times a day at my last job. Right now while I'm living in a 30 man tent the odor invades my living area...which is even worse. I'm in no way in favor of any kind of outright bans but you can't help personal preference on some things. And I do think that private establishments should be able to ban/allow smoking at their own discretion. I'm pretty much against any kind of goverment intervention
So no, the gov shouldn't be able to tell a private business what they can and can't allow. Not being able to smoke in a bar because it's illegal is just plain dumb IMHO. Sorry...probably went a bit OT there
That's why I made sure I was careful about my wording and said "The smokers I've worked with" as opposed to "all smokers". The places I've worked at have usually been pretty lenient as far as breaks go. You take them when you want, no micro management etc. The last smoker I worked with would go out on his breaks no matter what was going on. He would also take his first break 15 minutes after he got there in the mornings...so maybe I've just been exposed to bad workers regardless of smoking habits.
The places I've worked at have usually been pretty lenient as far as breaks go. You take them when you want, no micro management etc. The last smoker I worked with would go out on his breaks no matter what was going on. He would also take his first break 15 minutes after he got there in the mornings...so maybe I've just been exposed to bad workers regardless of smoking habits.
I guess my bias has always been that if I were to get up and socialize for 15 or 20 minutes I'd get chastised whereas smokers have a "reason" to do pretty much the same thing and there won't be the same recourse. I personally don't take breaks away from my desk...the internet is enough of a break for me and usually ate lunch at my desk too. I'm just relaying my experiences here...showing the other side of the coin as it were. And I have to go with my experiences. I almost didn't post because I didn't want to upset anybody but this is a forum and I hadn't seen much from the other perspective so I thought I'd put my 2 cents in. There are, what I would consider, valid reasons why people don't want to work with smokers. And I think it's absolutely stupid that a company would just say "no hiring smokers" because they could lose out on some serious talent. But for me personally it's a mark against a person if for no other reason than the odor. It's bad enough for me that I stopped going to 2 of my best friends' apartment when they stopped going outdoors to smoke. I was working in a cube farm for my last job and was the lead tech so I needed to be around when I could and couldn't just get up and leave when I wanted. But yes, there are people who take too many social breaks for no other reason than just to take a social break..and those people should be dealt with. But enough rambling from me. That's where I stand: gov shouldn't have the right to govern what goes on in a private establishment; private establishments should have the right allow or not to allow smoking on their grounds; no business should be allowed to dictate what a person does while they aren't being paid to be at work so long as it doesn't affect their job performance. Sorry if I offended but thought I could offer another perspective.
and usually ate lunch at my desk too. I'm just relaying my experiences here...showing the other side of the coin as it were. And I have to go with my experiences. I almost didn't post because I didn't want to upset anybody but this is a forum and I hadn't seen much from the other perspective so I thought I'd put my 2 cents in. There are, what I would consider, valid reasons why people don't want to work with smokers. And I think it's absolutely stupid that a company would just say "no hiring smokers" because they could lose out on some serious talent. But for me personally it's a mark against a person if for no other reason than the odor. It's bad enough for me that I stopped going to 2 of my best friends' apartment when they stopped going outdoors to smoke. I was working in a cube farm for my last job and was the lead tech so I needed to be around when I could and couldn't just get up and leave when I wanted. But yes, there are people who take too many social breaks for no other reason than just to take a social break..and those people should be dealt with. But enough rambling from me. That's where I stand: gov shouldn't have the right to govern what goes on in a private establishment; private establishments should have the right allow or not to allow smoking on their grounds; no business should be allowed to dictate what a person does while they aren't being paid to be at work so long as it doesn't affect their job performance. Sorry if I offended but thought I could offer another perspective.
@Paul - That's every Walmart i've ever been to. PRIME TIME shopping hour (an hour after work or the weekends) there isn't more than 3 lanes open (10+people in each lane waiting).... It's horrible mismanagement at its finest. I honestly don't know how these people still have jobs.
And I like the idea of this thread because regardless on where you stand on if it's RIGHT or WRONG for the company to ban all smokers it is letting the smoking community know and allowing us to make our own decision on whether or not they deserve our business. :
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Edit: And yes let's TRY to stay on topic you chatty fellows.
And I like the idea of this thread because regardless on where you stand on if it's RIGHT or WRONG for the company to ban all smokers it is letting the smoking community know and allowing us to make our own decision on whether or not they deserve our business. :
:Edit: And yes let's TRY to stay on topic you chatty fellows.
Why are we surprised?
Government and businesses have regulated what we can put in our bodies for the last hundred years, usually affixing hefty criminal penalties to it (hell, in the '60s there were states where possession of a joint could land you more prison time than a homicide conviction). The only difference is that fewer people smoke now, hence they have lower tolerance toward drug users (at least those who use drugs other than the ones they use). The moves we're seeing now are just part of a logical progression .... we've done it to millions of other Americans for years, and now it's our turn. It would be nice if citizens had some kind of legal right to live as we want to, but that idea became a casaulty of the drug war a long time ago.
Don't get me wrong -- I disagree STRONGLY with the anti-smoking extremes that the gov't and private companies are going to these days. But the bottom line is there isn't much we can do -- the liberal want to ban it on health grounds, and the conservatives have maintained for decades that companies should have the right to dictate their employee's behavior. Since companies often provide health insurance, they're going to do whatever they can to save cash on their bottom lines -- "freedoms" and "rights" are expendable when it comes to making cash or political hay.
Government and businesses have regulated what we can put in our bodies for the last hundred years, usually affixing hefty criminal penalties to it (hell, in the '60s there were states where possession of a joint could land you more prison time than a homicide conviction). The only difference is that fewer people smoke now, hence they have lower tolerance toward drug users (at least those who use drugs other than the ones they use). The moves we're seeing now are just part of a logical progression .... we've done it to millions of other Americans for years, and now it's our turn. It would be nice if citizens had some kind of legal right to live as we want to, but that idea became a casaulty of the drug war a long time ago.
Don't get me wrong -- I disagree STRONGLY with the anti-smoking extremes that the gov't and private companies are going to these days. But the bottom line is there isn't much we can do -- the liberal want to ban it on health grounds, and the conservatives have maintained for decades that companies should have the right to dictate their employee's behavior. Since companies often provide health insurance, they're going to do whatever they can to save cash on their bottom lines -- "freedoms" and "rights" are expendable when it comes to making cash or political hay.
Alaska Airlines. They haven't hired tobacco users in years, but unfortunately my employer flies me to/from work on them.
Providence Hospital (Anchorage, AK)
Providence Hospital (Anchorage, AK)
I just kicked Bank of America to the curb. It wasn't so much about smoking. They do, in fact, plan to to try and enforce a non-smoking policy for employees, but layered on top of everything else they've done, such as recognize illegal forms of ID from Illegal Aliens and issue them credit/debit cards etc. and try to place $5 fees on any debit card transaction; When asked about potential fallout from consumers, their official statement was essentially "We don't care, we have enough loyal customers." I banked with them for 7 years andd they never did a damn thing for me. Their turnover is so high, I've never met the same teller twice. They now have one less "loyal customer" to not care about. I moved my money to a local bank, which operates more like a credit union than a bank and offer a free checking account that accrues 3% interest. My BOA "Savings" account offered .025% last I checked.
I guess that I am just contrary but when I had my own business I did not put up "No Smoking" signs. I put of signs that said "Smoking Required" and I would not hire anyone that did not smoke .
If a customer complained I wold explain that it was my shop in my building on my land and if they had a problem with that it was only 3 miles south to the next guy.
If a customer complained I wold explain that it was my shop in my building on my land and if they had a problem with that it was only 3 miles south to the next guy.
DrSam, I did exactly the same thing (despite the law) for 5 years - every single employee and volunteer (I was running a mid-sized charity) was a smoker bar one little 80 yo lady who actually loved to inhale 2nd hand smoke. No smoke, equalled "no join the team" - it worked for us. Our office was am airtight demountable with a caravan (trailer) attached via a hole cut into it & OMG we could barely see each other through the smoke, but by crikeys did we work well lmao.
I'm sorry, but I'm not boycotting Marriott because they have a no-smoking policy in their rooms. Their hotels are generally among the better quality for the price you can get on the road, they have a pretty nice smoking area in each property I have stayed at (above the Fairfield level), and to be honest, I'll go out to the patio with my pipe if it means not having to stay in a cigarette-smoke-infested room with burns on the rug, sheets, furniture, and a nasty smoky odor from some dude's Kool Menthol Lights 100's Ultra Filtered Whatnot. It's a price I'm willing to pay, and the last time I was in a Courtyard Marriott in Cleveland the manager came out and talked with me about pipes for an hour. Good guy, and nice hotels generally.
This thread serves to reinforce one of my most grating pet peeves about pipe and cigar smokers. It's high time pipe and cigar people started facing the music of the smoking bans, laws, and rules. I am sick of the outrageously hyperbolic drama such as "we're in Nazi Germany" (??? that's an inappropriate comparison if I ever heard one), or the wholesale loss of rights akin to some police state right out of Orwell's Room 101. Grow up and face the music. The ONLY reason we are thrust into this condition is because of cigarettes, plain and simple, and because government hysterics swept up along with a very justifiable limitation on the amount of cigarette smoking that makes the majority pretty ill.
I do not think the fact that I cannot smoke my pipe in a hotel room constitutes Nazi Germany, and anyone who thinks so needs a history lesson as well as a valium. Comparing the two is pretty ridiculous.
Wanna take your anger about the smoking hysteria out on someone? The next time some ciggie-puffing loser comes in your midst tell them that the reason you can't smoke your pipe anywhere without being followed around like a criminal is because of people like themselves who litter the roads and trash everything in a 50-foot radius just so they can suck down their cat-urine-smelling cigarettes and pacify their chemical addictions. I haven't been able to sleep in a "smoking room" at a hotel in years because cigarettes just flat-out stink like buffalo balls and I think capitalism states pretty decently that those who don't want to patronize clean hotels can go stay at the Rodeway Inn or Motel Six and take their chances with bedbugs and crackheads JUST TO SMOKE A PIPE in their room. No thanks.
This thread serves to reinforce one of my most grating pet peeves about pipe and cigar smokers. It's high time pipe and cigar people started facing the music of the smoking bans, laws, and rules. I am sick of the outrageously hyperbolic drama such as "we're in Nazi Germany" (??? that's an inappropriate comparison if I ever heard one), or the wholesale loss of rights akin to some police state right out of Orwell's Room 101. Grow up and face the music. The ONLY reason we are thrust into this condition is because of cigarettes, plain and simple, and because government hysterics swept up along with a very justifiable limitation on the amount of cigarette smoking that makes the majority pretty ill.
I do not think the fact that I cannot smoke my pipe in a hotel room constitutes Nazi Germany, and anyone who thinks so needs a history lesson as well as a valium. Comparing the two is pretty ridiculous.
Wanna take your anger about the smoking hysteria out on someone? The next time some ciggie-puffing loser comes in your midst tell them that the reason you can't smoke your pipe anywhere without being followed around like a criminal is because of people like themselves who litter the roads and trash everything in a 50-foot radius just so they can suck down their cat-urine-smelling cigarettes and pacify their chemical addictions. I haven't been able to sleep in a "smoking room" at a hotel in years because cigarettes just flat-out stink like buffalo balls and I think capitalism states pretty decently that those who don't want to patronize clean hotels can go stay at the Rodeway Inn or Motel Six and take their chances with bedbugs and crackheads JUST TO SMOKE A PIPE in their room. No thanks.
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