Are we really losing that much with the closures of Mac Baren and Sutliff?

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sablebrush52

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Or if Disney bought Warner Discovery (or whatever it's called now) and axed HBO but kept a few TLC series
If HBO was hemorrhaging money and the TLC series were making money that's exactly what would happen. Oh, wait, HBO WAS hemorrhaging money which is why it was renamed MAX and a bunch of DIscovery IPs were added to it. Reality TV is relatively cheap to produce and is popular.

It comes down to maximizing return by focusing on what makes the most money. If you don't like the result, blame the audience, or in this instance, pipe smokers.
 

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If HBO was hemorrhaging money and the TLC series were making money that's exactly what would happen. Oh, wait, HBO WAS hemorrhaging money which is why it was renamed MAX and a bunch of DIscovery IPs were added to it. Reality TV is relatively cheap to produce and is popular.

It comes down to maximizing return by focusing on what makes the most money. If you don't like the result, blame the audience, or in this instance, pipe smokers.
I meant HBO content straight up disappearing but yeah I know both are to blame
 

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I'm almost certain @Sobrbiker is referring to Gawith & Hogarth. Dark Bird's Eye Vintage Cut would be a good place to start.
Ah I always forget they have bulks.
As others have pointed out, I think one of the biggest losses will be the affect on smaller B&M blenders. Boswell’s makes some of my favorite blends. I hope he is able to continue producing them without major changes.
I believe the owner has stated they've already started working with C&D. It would be terrible if we lost Northwoods, so many say it's the closest thing to Frog Morton and even those who disagree usually say it's a great blend in its own right. Crazy part is it wasn't intended to be a match and debuted when McC was still around.
 

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I like Plumcake well and it's a sentimental thing as my dad smoked it and I smoked it for 40 years but only at times. I miss Murray's Dunhill blends much much more.

I think Navy Flake is very unique. And the only aromatic I smoke is vanilla cream loose cut. Both of them are excellent blends but they are the type of blends that STG may not be able to do properly. Same as comparing Murray's blends with today's Peterson blends.

I do not miss anything Sutliff has ever done. Maybe because I didn't grow up with these blends and never dove deep in there.
 
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Ah I always forget they have bulks.

I believe the owner has stated they've already started working with C&D. It would be terrible if we lost Northwoods, so many say it's the closest thing to Frog Morton and even those who disagree usually say it's a great blend in its own right. Crazy part is it wasn't intended to be a match and debuted when McC was still around.
I’m planning a trip out to their B&M soon. Possibly next weekend if the weather cooperates. It’s a couple hours from me. I figured I would ask him how it will affect him. Plus it gives me an excuse to pick up a new pipe
 
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I’m planning a trip out to their B&M soon. Possibly next weekend if the weather cooperates. It’s a couple hours from me. I figured I would ask him how it will affect him. Plus it gives me an excuse to pick up a new pipe
Hope it goes well. I've noticed a lot B&Ms have been very limited in what they say, probably because they were just as in the dark as customers were until the big news on Thursday.
I like Plumcake well and it's a sentimental thing as my dad smoked it and I smoked it for 40 years but only at times. I miss Murray's Dunhill blends much much more.

I think Navy Flake is very unique. And the only aromatic I smoke is vanilla cream loose cut. Both of them are excellent blends but they are the type of blends that STG may not be able to do properly. Same as comparing Murray's blends with today's Peterson blends.

I do not miss anything Sutliff has ever done. Maybe because I didn't grow up with these blends and never dove deep in there.
What did he usually smoke?
 
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To answer the original post, yes and no.

No in the sense that their are is a vast variety of tobacco's still available to pipe smokers. Even though it seems like we've lost hundreds of blends, there are some blends that were duplicates. For example Mac Baren brand x may be the exact same blend as STG brand y, so there is no point in packaging the same tobacco in two different tins with two different labels. Eliminating duplicate packaging can save a company a lot of money, so while it seems like we're losing a lot of blends, some of them will still exist under a different label. It sucks losing a favorite blend, but with all the tobacco's on the market their is an opportunity to find a new favorite.

Yes, as we're losing a long standing American company, with employees losing their job, and a community losing an iconic business. Same goes for Mac Baren. Besides employees losing their jobs, a major loss is the machines that made these tobacco's at both factories. I don't like the idea of these machines being scrapped, as someone that loves history, and antiques; I think these machines/equipment should be saved and put in a museum or on display somewhere to show case the history of the industry. I understand that STG may not have the space to store this equipment, but in my opinion it needs to be save and displayed somehow. It would be a shame to lose such history.

Yes, as a lot of B&M shops rely on the Sutliff bulk and blending tobacco's. It will definitely hurt some of our favorite B&M shops tobacco sales as I would bet that most pipe shops sell more bulk blends than blends in tins. While there is still an opportunity for these B&M shops to acquire bulk and blending tobacco's from other manufacturer's; a lot of regulars (codgers) that smoke only a handful of B&M shop blends won't like the change.