I agree with all of this. You can see how hand-made the process of making these spun cuts is (was?) in this video:
Are we really losing that much with the closures of Mac Baren and Sutliff?
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Depends on if the blending leaf is still available.
I won't mourn those 800 goopers that they sold.
I won't mourn those 800 goopers that they sold.
Wait, I thought the Peterson blends were safe? Do you have more info on this?Peterson is STG, there's been reports they will be reducing if not straight eliminating both their original Peterson and "Dunhill" blends because of thissorry to burst your bubble.
That's why I think this actually is a big deal/why people bitching about the bitching are either not grasping the magnitude or just showing off.
People don't realize A) how much of a backbone this company was in the US and B) how much the company who bought them is the backbone of the rest of the pipesmoking world.
This would be like if Amazon bought Walmart and target and said they were gonna close them but then also discontinue 80% of everything amazon themselves already sell too. Sure there'd still be Costco (C&D) and a few scraps your local supermarket could pick up. But overall this is actually a big deal
From my perspective, the issue resides more in the abstract concept than in the specific example. Meaning simply- if our goal is to perpetuate and expand pipe culture, is this a step in the right or wrong direction? I would imagine the latter but it may be part of a much needed catalyst in the piping community towards a new and exciting future that looks very different from that of our forefathers. Here’s to the future, fingers crossed.
I don't feel like I'm losing much mostly because I haven't gotten around to trying all that much. Two of the Mac Baren blends I enjoy apparently are sticking around for now, and I have only had one Sutliff blend but didn't care for it that much. How much this affects the Watch City blends I enjoy isn't totally clear to me, so I suppose I will lose some blends I currently enjoy from them. To me pipe tobacco really is a luxury so I'm going to acquire what I can, but not lose any sleep over what I can no longer acquire.
I've seen this asserted elsewhere and I am highly skeptical of this. It's based on one second-hand source via a YouTube video. The Peterson labeled ex-Dunhill blends are all high on the list of SP's best sellers. Many of the old Mac Baren blends never ranked on that list, which tells you something.
“Peterson’s” is a trademark, not a company, owned by STG. The blends are identical to those previously made and sold by STG under the “Dunhill” name. They are not being discontinued.
but we can’t expect STG will do that.
According to internal documents that a source at Mac Baren released to a YouTuber, Peterson blends could be on the chopping block come 2028. The information shared was very detailed and from what I can decipher, appears to be legitimate.
None in the top 10 currently. I don't put much faith in the vitality of brands or blends anymore.
Losses felt by me include HH Pure VA, Newminster 400, and Vanilla Roll Cake.
(These were affordable best sellers. I can't help but wonder if they're being cut in hopes that we'll start buying higher ticket items that they'll roll out in their place.)
Further down the line, possible losses felt by me would include Boswell Northwoods, Christmas Cookie, and Private Stock, Peretti Omega, etc.
Will such tobacconists shut down?
Will they be able to source leaf from the farmers who supplied Sutliff? If so will they be able to reproduce the previous processing? How will that affect not only product but also availability and cost?
(These were affordable best sellers. I can't help but wonder if they're being cut in hopes that we'll start buying higher ticket items that they'll roll out in their place.)
Further down the line, possible losses felt by me would include Boswell Northwoods, Christmas Cookie, and Private Stock, Peretti Omega, etc.
Will such tobacconists shut down?
Will they be able to source leaf from the farmers who supplied Sutliff? If so will they be able to reproduce the previous processing? How will that affect not only product but also availability and cost?
From the ask thread that is now shut down. regarding Peterson blends.
"The Peterson blends are doing quite well actually, and nothing is being discontinued there. The U.S. is the biggest market for the brand, but it's also sold in 30+ other countries,"
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I'm also very interested in hearing more about 507c =LNF being they are marketed with and without perique. Maybe same as Luxury twist Flake? Also is it true the old Dunhill now peterson blends are in sales decline and being looked at? Thanks!
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"The Peterson blends are doing quite well actually, and nothing is being discontinued there. The U.S. is the biggest market for the brand, but it's also sold in 30+ other countries,"
Good info. But not sure I can believe the source. He wasn’t accurate about what just went down.
Fair enough, but it's all we got to go on for now with the Peterson blends. Certainly buy as much as you see fit!
No. I’m done buying STG products for good now. No more. I will be supporting C&D, GL Pease, and Gawith Hoggarth.
If McB becomes the next McClelland it will only be their early stuff. Their quality has slipped. But I doubt either will be competitive in that area. Maybe Mixture 79?
Or maybe it's meant to nudge the conversation in a productive direction. People shooting off their mouths rather than exercising their brains, at members of the tobacco industry, as well as other recognized figures in the community are why forums are avoided by professionals.
I've been pipe smoking for more than 50 years. How much brand loss you think I've experienced, or other pipe smokers with similar lengths of use? Unless you're been smoking for at least the last 30 years, you have no concept, absolutely none, of the loss of names, blends, and just plain quality. Talk about terra incognita!
Companies disappearing, blends disappearing? Been there, done that. Bitching achieves nothing except some sort of onanistic release.
Take some positive action and get off your butts, buy what you can while you can, where you can, and start looking at new possibilities.
Yeah, it's a wrench, but it's hardly the first and only wrench.
- People love to complain.
- People love to fantasize.
- People really love to complain and fantisize about stuff they know nothing about.
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I have more of Sutliff than anything else, and it will certainly be missed.
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I would not say KBV was closing up after reading this: New Projects – KBV - https://kbven.com/new-projects/?v=0b3b97fa6688
This. I am also completely done with any and all STG products. This includes both pipe and cigar brands & products. IMHO, STG has ruined the brands that have come under it's ownership.