Anyone Giving Up The Juice During Lock Down?

[brian64]

Ok, I'll bite on this one, because some of this is flat out wrong. Among many others, here are three ways that this virus/situation is NOT like the flu:
1. This virus has a death rate that is estimated to be 10 times that of the seasonal flu
2. This virus, according to scientists, is much more contagious than the seasonal flu
3. Imagine if the entire flu season was condensed into 4-6 weeks instead of a longer period of time throughout the year. While perhaps 12-61k have died every year from the flu, they have not all died or needed medical treatment at the same time. This situation is a tsunami in slow motion for our health care system, and the more that system is overwhelmed the more people will die, as they will not be able to render adequate treatment.

Yeah that echoes what is being said to justify the "shutdown". Personally I don't buy it simply because there is not enough convincing data to back any of that up IMO...and too much data that contradicts it...again, IMO.

Also, contrary to the MSM narrative, there is not scientific consensus...there are many scientists who are not supporting the official narrative on this.

But, for those who do buy the official narrative and believe this shutdown is justified, if you do not at least still see the economic tsunami coming out of this and the potential for this to become the new normal anytime "they" want to declare it...well, then you've got blinders on...IMO.

With only one or two exceptions, all of the posts I've seen on here in support of the shutdown downplay the economic consequences if they even mention them at all.

As with so many other issues, we are typically given a false choice as if there are only two sides to things. In this case it's either do nothing and let the virus run its course, or shut everything down and ruin the economy.

Below is an example of a much more reasoned and intelligent approach that also addresses the science involved. And while I don't agree with 100% of it, it is something I can respect...unlike the insanity of how this is currently being handled.

Covid-19 Derangement Syndrome: A World Gone Mad

Covid-19 Derangement Syndrome: A World Gone Mad | The Vineyard of the Saker

A bird's eye view of the vineyard

thesaker.is

 

[Casual]

My alcohol intake is largely the same. Like pipe tobacco, my supply of alcohol is very large relative to my intake. I haven’t really had to change much behaviour at all with these restrictions.

 

[anotherbob]

Ha yes, not sure if this guy is self isolating knowing how much he loves money, I just think he lost 80% of his customers. What were once lively streets here now have businesses with plywood over their storefronts.

so some junkies are currently discovering withdraw and thinking it's corona

 

[musicman]

Yeah that echoes what is being said to justify the "shutdown". Personally I don't buy it simply because there is not enough convincing data to back any of that up IMO...and too much data that contradicts it...again, IMO.

Also, contrary to the MSM narrative, there is not scientific consensus...there are many scientists who are not supporting the official narrative on this.

But, for those who do buy the official narrative and believe this shutdown is justified, if you do not at least still see the economic tsunami coming out of this and the potential for this to become the new normal anytime "they" want to declare it...well, then you've got blinders on...IMO.

With only one or two exceptions, all of the posts I've seen on here in support of the shutdown downplay the economic consequences if they even mention them at all.

As with so many other issues, we are typically given a false choice as if there are only two sides to things. In this case it's either do nothing and let the virus run its course, or shut everything down and ruin the economy.

Below is an example of a much more reasoned and intelligent approach that also addresses the science involved. And while I don't agree with 100% of it, it is something I can respect...unlike the insanity of how this is currently being handled.

Covid-19 Derangement Syndrome: A World Gone Mad

Covid-19 Derangement Syndrome: A World Gone Mad | The Vineyard of the Saker

A bird's eye view of the vineyard

thesaker.is

Are you suggesting that this article and source is a good alternative to the MSM? As far as I can tell, this is a German pro-Russia media site, that gets most of it's information from Russian media (which is basically propaganda. Actual investigative reporting gets one killed in Russia). I skimmed over the article. It's pretty much the same approach used by climate change deniers, which is to claim that everyone else has a bias and they are the only true purveyors of scientific fact.

HOWEVER, I don't think I am going to convince you to re-think your approach on an online forum, just as you are not convincing me. I hope that you stay safe and healthy, and enjoy a good pipe at some point soon.

 

[puff_not_snuff]

so some junkies are currently discovering withdraw and thinking it's corona

Well, I guess the more accurate term for this guy’s customers is something like “tweaker”...

 

[olkofri]

Are you suggesting that this article and source is a good alternative to the MSM? As far as I can tell, this is a German pro-Russia media site, that gets most of it's information from Russian media (which is basically propaganda. Actual investigative reporting gets one killed in Russia). I skimmed over the article. It's pretty much the same approach used by climate change deniers, which is to claim that everyone else has a bias and they are the only true purveyors of scientific fact.

HOWEVER, I don't think I am going to convince you to re-think your approach on an online forum, just as you are not convincing me. I hope that you stay safe and healthy, and enjoy a good pipe at some point soon.

Considering that the MSM is a red-ass-kissing, pro-China mega-fake-news outlet, yes, the article is a very good alternative.

Quite a number of things mentioned in the article I have personally witnessed or been acquainted with: namely, the agenda-driven science (right here in my own faculty: a professor who isn't even a climatologist bought by a political party to produce 'climate'-related 'studies' that would 'scientifically' justify the party line), and the latest attempt at a power grab by Canada's minority government. To deny those things would be to be the worst kind of denier: the one who is blind because he refuses to see with his very good-working eyes.

 

[puff_not_snuff]

Anyway, I just had a very late into the hangover “hair of the dog” and feel much better, tomorrow I shall start my abstinence.

 

[ssjones]

Too exhausted to drink.....

 

[tkcolo]

Gave up whiskey for lent. Beer is still on the table, and it turns out that is quite a slow down for me...

 

[samuelgawith01]

I've steadily cut down over the past ten years to where I don't need to have entire cases of beer stacked up to the ceiling in the garage.I'm at a manageable point, with,or without the Corona V.

 

[python]

Stay on topic and away from politics please.

On topic; No, my drinking hasn't changed.

 

[olkofri]

I never liked Corona anyway.

 

[mothernaturewilleatusallforbreakfast]

I'm drinking and smoking more and it feels great!

 

[jaytex1969]

I drank to excess in the service, lost some rank, spent a night or two in the drunk tank. Learned a few years later that maybe there was a better way.

Getting into bikes 20 years ago put the finishing touches on any drinking to excess, as the two really don't go well together.

These days it's one or two drinks at a time, with a quarterly binge or so to keep it interesting.

 

[brian64]

Are you suggesting that this article and source is a good alternative to the MSM? As far as I can tell, this is a German pro-Russia media site, that gets most of it's information from Russian media (which is basically propaganda. Actual investigative reporting gets one killed in Russia). I skimmed over the article. It's pretty much the same approach used by climate change deniers, which is to claim that everyone else has a bias and they are the only true purveyors of scientific fact.

HOWEVER, I don't think I am going to convince you to re-think your approach on an online forum, just as you are not convincing me. I hope that you stay safe and healthy, and enjoy a good pipe at some point soon.

Not trying to convince anyone of anything...just telling it how I see it. In fact I get concerned if too many people agree...makes me think I must be on the wrong track.

I'm unfamiliar with that site...just liked that particular essay. But as for "pro Russia", I don't even know what that means or what you're talking about...but I couldn't care less anyway. All the anti-Russia hysteria over the last 3 plus years is globalist propaganda that is almost as crazy as the climate change BS.

As for the "MSM" here, there are no bigger bullshit/propaganda artists in the world than them.

Growing up in the thick of the cold war I never dreamed I'd live to see a time when Russia seemed more sane than the West, but the western world in general has gone mostly batshit crazy over the last few decades.

 

[frozenchurchwarden]

... Studies have shown that even one episode of binge drinking has a short term negative effect on one's immune system. I'm 39, so I'm not TOO worried about getting the virus, although the reports of young people being hospitalized are a little troubling. I am acutely aware, however, that if I do get it, and I get it it bad, it will be me vs. the virus, as there are no effective treatments at this point.

There is one effective treatment, don't be fat and lazy.

Go running every morning and you'll remove yourself from the "high risk" population for pretty much everything.

 

[puff_not_snuff]

Someone my girlfriend worked with around three weeks ago died yesterday of covid. She was in her 60s with some minor health issues. Despite heading sirens all day, reading about the projections of deaths, etc., heading this news made it feel like a much more acute reality, not in the sense that we are worried about getting sick. Anyway, it didn’t make want to hit the bottle.

 

[3rdguy]

Benn laying off with all the stress. Would be too easy to drink more and I have to be 110% at work everyday.

We were midway through a kitchen remodel when this went down, eating out of a microwave and grilling outside for weeks now. Yesterday the countertops were installed which would give us our cooking range and oven back.

They cracked the granite countertop on install. Back to waiting on a countertop. 1st world problem but it sucks.

 

[smokeyweb]

Proud member of the Beer Drinkers Hall of Fame. Rode hard and put away wet.

 

[mau1]

I keep losing track of what day it is. Yesterday, I thought it was Friday and opened a bottle of wine to go with the stir-fry we cooked up. It certainly felt like a Friday. I am in my third week of working from home and every day seems the same...