Any EDC CCW'ers?
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Point taken. To be clear, any deterrent effect of the cocking sound is not particularly important. My primary reason is for safety (and many thanks for pointing out the safety is the safety). I chose a shotgun for home defense because it’s the most practical for that purpose among the firearms that I own (and the one I know best). I keep it mag loaded, leaning in the corner, within arms length when I’m in bed. I keep the chamber unloaded because the gun gets moved around a fair bit on a regular basis (when vacuuming, for example). Am I taking a risk that a home invader may get to me before I can rack a shell in the chamber? Of course I am, and for all the obvious reasons you pointed out. Gun out and in reach, mag loaded is far more prepared for home invasion than gun completely unloaded and locked in a safe, and I still don’t have to worry about an accidental discharge killing or maiming me, my wife, my cats, or possibly my neighbors (windows won’t stop #4 birdshot). That’s a reasonable decision that I’m very comfortable with; your disagreement is noted.
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Are my reasons for my course of action (described in my last post) so egregious that I “…shouldn’t be armed…”? WTF are you talking about? Get a grip, man. I’ve taken steps to protect myself without creating what I judge to be an unnecessarily dangerous condition in my own home.
Your stated reasons for disagreement are understandable, but am I so far out there in the lunatic fringe that I “…shouldn’t be armed…”?
How much you wanna bet this woman wishes she'd had a firearm?
She was one of the lucky ones where the cops showed up in the nick of time.
She was one of the lucky ones where the cops showed up in the nick of time.
Guns don't, as a rule, "accidentally" discharge. People accidentally discharge firearms. And, I'm not excluding that actor. He, luckily, was blessed with bad/ignorant investigating police officers.
Back when I was a teenager I had just gotten home from shooting my Marlin 39A... I was trying to drop the hammer after unloading the chamber and BAM that bitch had loaded another round and somehow gone off.
The round went right through the wall and right through my dad's closet, piercing most of his clothes.
He was mad as hell, the bullet wizzed right by him. Until I moved out I wasn't allowed have loaded guns in the house.
They make the new lever actions with safeties and I don't think they belong on that type of gun... But it could have saved me that day.
I take full responsibility for that negligent discharge, fwiw. Luckily it's been my only one. It was very similar to the Balwin thing, minus the death.
The round went right through the wall and right through my dad's closet, piercing most of his clothes.
He was mad as hell, the bullet wizzed right by him. Until I moved out I wasn't allowed have loaded guns in the house.
They make the new lever actions with safeties and I don't think they belong on that type of gun... But it could have saved me that day.
I take full responsibility for that negligent discharge, fwiw. Luckily it's been my only one. It was very similar to the Balwin thing, minus the death.
That's the phrase. Been there done that myself as a youngster. Talk about gaining a lot of respect for firearms quickly!
Fair enough. Then I amend my posts above to read “accidental and/or negligent discharge.”
Are you going to elaborate on why you think I should be disarmed?
If you wake up with intruders in your house, depending on the circumstance, you may not want to give away your position by racking a round into the chamber. But you will want to be ready for instant action. Give some thought to finding a stable, accessible, place off the floor to keep the gun during the day, chamber loaded, then putting the gun in the corner before you go to bed.
Most intruders, shot turn out to family.. Be proactive trim/clear bushes hiding windows, leave outdoors lights on all night, put up a few motion detector lights. Get a pita little dog that barks at everything. Most intruders like easy targets, a little planning will have them moving to an easier target.
I was taught gun safety and how to shoot from a young age. My dad taught me how to safely handle every gun we had in the house.
When I was 11 or 12 I was home alone and I was handling an old 12 gauge double barrel that my grandfather passed to my dad. I knew it wasn't a toy but it was the coolest gun in the world to me at the time and I wanted to look at it. The memory is foggy at this point but the gun went from sitting in my lap to flying across the room, both barrels discharged into our dining room wall. To this day I swear that I cleared the chambers and I was taught never to dry fire a weapon. My child brain really screwed all that up and I'm damn lucky I didn't blow my head off.
That's my negligent discharge story.
Thought it worth bumping for this latest from John Lott:
Study: Concealed Carriers Do A Better Job Of Stopping Active Shooters Than Police
First 3 paragraphs:
You’d never know it from watching television, but civilians stop more active shooters than police and do so with fewer mistakes, according to new research from the Crime Prevention Research Center, where I serve as president. In non-gun-free zones, where civilians are legally able to carry guns, concealed carry permit holders stopped 51.5 percent of active shootings, compared to 44.6 percent stopped by police, CPRC found in a deep dive into active shooter scenarios between 2014 and 2023.
Not only do permit holders succeed in stopping active shooters at a higher rate, but law enforcement officers face significantly greater risks when intervening. Our research found police were nearly six times more likely to be killed and 17 percent more likely to be wounded than armed civilians.
Those numbers paint a fuller picture than the FBI’s crime statistics, which fail to include many of the defensive gun uses my organization has cataloged. But the problem with the FBI’s crime statistics isn’t just the errors in their reported data — they also fail to address useful questions, like how concealed handgun permit holders compare to law enforcement. Kash Patel and Dan Bongino face a major challenge in reforming how the data is collected and reported at the FBI.
What We Found:
Study: Concealed Carriers Stop Active Shooters Better Than Police
Civilians stop more active shooters than police and do so with fewer mistakes, the Crime Prevention Research Center found.
thefederalist.com
I’m glad this thread got bumped.
My wife just messaged me this link.
Missouri also does not require a locking device to accompany the sale of a firearm, and no state statutes require firearm owners to affirmatively lock their weapons.
When you load your gun, make double and triple sure you are the only one that can get to it even for a second.
Because if in Missouri, a homeowner can be sentenced to ten years in prison for child endangerment because he left his gun unsecured while he slept, then none of us anywhere that keep self defense firearms are safe.
My wife just messaged me this link.
Eldon man sentenced to ten years after child accidentally shot self
An Eldon man was sentenced to ten years in prison after pleading guilty to the death of a child who accidentally shot himself.Albert Keel pleaded guilty on Janu
krcgtv.com
Safe Storage
Missouri has no law that requires unattended firearms to be stored in a certain way, although state administrative regulations may govern the safe storage of firearms in other locations.Missouri also does not require a locking device to accompany the sale of a firearm, and no state statutes require firearm owners to affirmatively lock their weapons.
Child Access Prevention & Safe Storage in Missouri
Research Missouri state laws on child access prevention and safe storage, including what's regulated and what's not. Learn gun law details from Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
giffords.org
When you load your gun, make double and triple sure you are the only one that can get to it even for a second.
Because if in Missouri, a homeowner can be sentenced to ten years in prison for child endangerment because he left his gun unsecured while he slept, then none of us anywhere that keep self defense firearms are safe.
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Well, obviously! Of course they do as they are on the scene and cop is probably coming from a distance, after a frantic phone call has been received and then dispatched. Hardly a noteworthy observation but, politicians and citizens often lack a "keen grasp of the obvious" and need education. Perhaps I'm being a bit cynical.
I firmly believe that we Americans were a politer society when men wore their "guns outside their pants for all the honest world to feel." Townes Van Zandt
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Well, obviously! Of course they do as they are on the scene and cop is probably coming from a distance, after a frantic phone call has been received and then dispatched. Hardly a noteworthy observation but, politicians and citizens often lack a "keen grasp of the obvious" and need education. Perhaps I'm being a bit cynical.
I firmly believe that we Americans are a politer society when men wore their "guns outside their pants for all the honest world to feel." Townes Van Zandt
The poets tell how Pancho fell
And Lefty’s living in a cheap hotel
The desert’s quiet and Cleveland’s cold
And there’s a very real man in Eldon Missouri named Albert Keel who will spend ten years in prison with a convicted child endangerment jacket because he went to sleep in his own house with an unsecured firearm in Wild West Gun Laws Missouri.
This man prosecuted him.
Office of the Prosecuting Attorney of Miller County, Missouri
The employees of the Miller County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office work hard each day to enforce the law, protect citizens, and serve victims. I am proud of the role we play in building a better future for Miller County.
millercountyprosecutor.org
And the record is clear I did not defend him.
I am slack jawed in shock he plead guilty.
The gun ownership rate in Miller County borders close to 100% of homes.
And when I was six years old I knew better than to shoot myself in the head with my Daddy’s gun while he slept.
Times have changed indeed.
Most shotguns aren't drop safe, a very serious reason to consider keeping a round out of the chamber until ready to destroy something (especially if you have cats).
In my military career, I carried Mossberg 500 series shotguns, and we always carried them magazine tube fully loaded, no round chambered, safety off. If you were the breacher carrying the shotty, you'd carry it without a round in the magazine, then when you deployed the weapon for breaching a door, you'd fire your last round and leave the weapon off safe with the expended shell in the chamber. Next time you wanted to breach, you'd do like all good soldiers, pump and go.
When well trained and drilled, you can run a pump action shotgun plenty fast. Bad guys won't be thinking "ah ha! He's exposed his position!" they'll be thinking, "why am I so sleepy?"
In a military aggressor offensive scenario I’m glad to know they always carry the shotgun without a good round in the chamber until ready to kill people.
But a homeowner has different rules of engagement.
For example, the threat had better turn out to be an intruder who refuses to leave.
If it’s a drunk in the wrong house, a pissed off boyfriend with the wrong address, a family member, etc etc etc he might be very sorry sitting in a prison cell beside real murderers.
We lawyers only see the cases where the prosecutor does file a case.
Now, when I was six, to shoot myself in the head while my father slept with my mother in their bedroom, I’d have had to go to my bedroom closet where the Winchester 67 and Browning Automatic Shotgun was and load it with the ammunition right beside it.
But I was in the first grade.
Those guns had been in my closet since I slept by myself as a toddler.
I sure can remember as a toddler Daddy blowing a rooster all to a ball of feathers in the back yard and let me tell you, I learned from that.
Our family had a well thought out defense plan.
If an intruder came in, they’d never consider a little boy in his own bedroom a threat.
Yes, it's obvious to anyone with common sense who can think for themselves...but it's not what the Mockingbird Media brainwashes the population with continually...they preach just the opposite of reality on this issue, just as they do with so many other things in service to an agenda. So unfortunately it requires credible studies such as this to present to people. Like you, I don't need this info...I just observe reality and come to the same conclusion.
If you go back in the thread you'll see that I was replying to this very argument that @woodsroad was making, hence the John Lott reference.
Unfortunately we live in a culture/information war, where the hypnotized masses can be easily swayed to support tyrannical policies. But then that too should be obvious to anyone with common sense and they should easily understand why it's necessary to post a study like that.
I had an ND as a teenager.
I had a Ruger MKII in my front pocket and negligently pulled the trigger.
Bullet made a red line down my thigh and went into the floor a couple inches from my foot.
It was nearly disastrous. I'm sure that little .22 bullet would have done a lot of damage to my leg. But I'll tell you, it caused me to have a laser focus on gun safety and it's not changed in over 25 years.
Brian, I fear you give the media waaaay to much credit for their impact on the citizenry. And, the citizenry not enough credit to think for themselves. Which is a major problem, people choose to prioritize things in importance. The majority of people in the US don't vote and have no interest in the issues. They want to feed their family, have the pothole in front of their house filled, and the like.
Everybody has opinions but, only a minority vote them. Some of that minority are anti-gun for many reasons. Some are pro-gun for a number of reasons. But, the majority, voters and non-voters do not care one way of the other. Or, at least not enough to participate in the governance of our country.
The media simply appeal to their own varied audiences and. in my opinion, have little effect on the thinking/non-thinking of the majority, voters and non-voters, in this country. The media preaches to their individual "choirs". That's been the norm since 1776 and I foresee no change in the future.
I'm not trying to start or win an argument, simply stating the facts as I see them after many years of following elections. The majority of Americans aren't interested in anything but surviving, providing for themselves and, in most cases, their families, a reasonable quality of life.
Then we all pointed and laughed, no sympathy at all.
Everybody has opinions but, only a minority vote them. Some of that minority are anti-gun for many reasons. Some are pro-gun for a number of reasons. But, the majority, voters and non-voters do not care one way of the other. Or, at least not enough to participate in the governance of our country.
The media simply appeal to their own varied audiences and. in my opinion, have little effect on the thinking/non-thinking of the majority, voters and non-voters, in this country. The media preaches to their individual "choirs". That's been the norm since 1776 and I foresee no change in the future.
I'm not trying to start or win an argument, simply stating the facts as I see them after many years of following elections. The majority of Americans aren't interested in anything but surviving, providing for themselves and, in most cases, their families, a reasonable quality of life.
One of our detectivie did the same thing outside a courtroom. The same except he was thumbing the hammer on his derringer. Lotta cops grabbing for weapons in the hallway and then, he whispered "I gotta go to the hospital."
Then we all pointed and laughed, no sympathy at all.
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