As pipe tobacco dooms day looms (September I believe), what blends do you plan on stocking up?
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Already pretty well stocked since its been looming for a bit. Might grab a few more things, but we’ll see.
Is this referring to the FDA deeming regulations? I thought the date was pushed back to 2021.
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No body will, or should give their secrets. Lots of lurkers reading and waiting to find out....
You must be one of those high class fancy pants wine cono-sirs...
^ No, he's just planning on bartering with Embers.
I thought so too. @BROBS is saying September though and I'm assuming he's never wrong.
I'm all set on GL Pease, but what Sam Gawith is going away? I might need some reinforcements on that front. And what about Peterson/Dunhill... yes/no? Safe? Not safe?
As I cannot afford to cellar up, will just take my chances with whatever ends up being available.
Cabbie's Mixture is subject to extinction. Maybe more, but that's the only one I know off hand.
Easy for you to say! Carter Hall and Briar Fox are safe. ?
I don't know how I could ever smoke what I do have. Maybe more Brunello Flake and Mississippi River SR.
With the virus ravaging the planet, I think the FDA would look like morons worrying about deeming laws. W may get a reprieve on this one.Having said that it is obvious to me what needs to be bought in big numbers. Here is my list if I were in the market.
Capstan Blue Flake
Salty Dogs
Curly Block
Savinelli Doblone d'Oro
Peterson Flake
Peterson Navy Rollls
Mac Baren Old Dark Fired
Rattray Wallace Flake
Rattray Sterling Flake
Not sure if it is on the block as it was made for years then went away for a frew years. Orlik Dark Strong Kentucky
I know Solani 660 and 833 won't be on list but I would still but the shit out of them just because.
Oh and don't forget the biggest money makers that will b e axed are Cult Blood Red Moon and Sutliff Molto Dolce. Go ahead discard my warnings. They will be just like Esoterica. You heard it here first.
Capstan Blue Flake
Salty Dogs
Curly Block
Savinelli Doblone d'Oro
Peterson Flake
Peterson Navy Rollls
Mac Baren Old Dark Fired
Rattray Wallace Flake
Rattray Sterling Flake
Not sure if it is on the block as it was made for years then went away for a frew years. Orlik Dark Strong Kentucky
I know Solani 660 and 833 won't be on list but I would still but the shit out of them just because.
Oh and don't forget the biggest money makers that will b e axed are Cult Blood Red Moon and Sutliff Molto Dolce. Go ahead discard my warnings. They will be just like Esoterica. You heard it here first.
@cigrmaster, you sure about Capstan Blue? That's been around forever. The Mac Baren though... that's a good point. Probably the entire HH line is going away. Arrrgh.
Well, as of the May 1st 2020 FDA guidelines to Retailers, the cut off remains August 8th 2021. Here's the effective and compliance dates chart:
So I'd like to see where the September 2020 date comes from. First I've heard of it.
I just found this:
tobaccopolicycenter.org
which gives September 9, 2020 as the deadline to submit an application to the FDA for a pre-market review. That may be where the September 2020 date came from. I'm not familiar with all of the various regulations, so I don't know how that relates to the August 2021 date.
FDA Deeming Rule - Public Health and Tobacco Policy Center
tobaccopolicycenter.org
which gives September 9, 2020 as the deadline to submit an application to the FDA for a pre-market review. That may be where the September 2020 date came from. I'm not familiar with all of the various regulations, so I don't know how that relates to the August 2021 date.
I'm new here and to the hobby. So is the FDA going to shut down different tobacco's? I know here in Canada I cant buy any flavoured cigars.
I just found this:
FDA Deeming Rule - Public Health and Tobacco Policy Center
which gives September 9, 2020 as the deadline to submit an application to the FDA for a pre-market review. That may be where the September 2020 date came from. I'm not familiar with all of the various regulations, so I don't know how that relates to the August 2021 date.
For blends to continue beyond the August 8th 2021 cut off they need to go through one of the FDA deeming processes. There are a number of milestones that manufacturers need to hit for that to happen, including the September 9th application deadline.
Miss that deadline and that blend is toast after 8/8/21. This applies to blends that entered the US market between February 15th 2007 and August 8th, 2016.
Blends that entered the market after 8/8/16 may not be eligible for any sort of extension since technically they weren't legally allowed to be released without first being deemed under the 2016 Rules. I've heard some makers say that they're in compliance with the Deeming Rules but I've yet to hear a single one of them explain how that is the case. Maybe they're legit, maybe they're not. Many laws have their workarounds. Buy them while you can. Hell, buy whatever the hell you can find while you can.
The guillotine drops on 8/8/21, leaving only blends that have been available on the US market since before February 15th 2007, and any later blends that have been deemed by the FDA, at least according to the FDA publications that I've read over the years.
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