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[pappymac]

My doctor says any form of using tobacco is damaging if not lethal. My reading tells me that there is worldwide agreement about this. Antis intend to wipe out tobacco.

Did your doctor also tell you that consuming too much water is also lethal?

 

[philobeddoe]

Jay, this is unfortunately true. The idea is that your second hand smoke wafts out of your apartment to pollute the surrounding apartments, thus making you a hazard to the building. As to reporting the smoke....it only takes one busy-body who is looking for a reason to report you to the building superintendent. Or perhaps if your neighbors were to see you carrying your pipe or bringing home any boxes or packages that were labeled as coming from a tobacco retailer, or perhaps they see a Pipes and Cigars catalog in your hand as you carry in your mail. The point is, whether they actually smell smoke or not, all they have to do is complain, in order to set the wheels of eviction warnings in motion. I'm quite sure that many apartment buildings around the country are busy drafting new residential agreements that must be agreed to in order to purchase and in some cases KEEP apartments already paid for, as even those apartments still carry monthly or yearly maintenance fees for upkeep of the building. Never underestimate the desire that certain parts of the populace has to ruin the happiness of others, some people can only be happy when they are making others unhappy.

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

Alex64:Thank you for your input in this, in this regard this EU/U.S comparition may be true, but there still one good thing within the U.S that smokers could benefit from,Tobacco regulations vary by the States and prices as well,so I'm coming to realize citizens and visitors of this country are having more possibilities /varieties when it comes to smoking supplies

so to say,State crosing trips and a wide array of on-line retailers where you can choose whatever you may please,whereas within the Eu we are lately come to so called real socialism where all tobacco related stuff is harmonized, socialized,prices are on ubearable high level especially up in north scandinavian countries,Yet on-line bordercrossing transactions got banned within all EU memberstates(excluding those of between individuals)lately I'm coming to realize all what I see here within the europen union coutries are regulations,harmonisation,+high taxes,(aforementioned stands for the use of personal motor vehicle as well)and in all probability this all is getting even worse by coming years,unless people gets more bright and do star revolting,so my real hope is that the U.S are not goin in the same idiotic direction as we lately did here,enough is enough.

 

[warren]

Jay, this is more for landlords. They don't have to prohibit smoking to save drapes, carpets and paint. The local government assumes the role of "the bad guy." Any none smoking "super" would quickly detect the reek of a pipe, cigarette or cigar when in the apartment to repair a disposal or change a light. Out would go the renter while the landlord can honestly state, "It's not my fault!"
As I've stated, if I owned rental units, I wouldn't lease/rent to smokers so as to maximize my return. Just makes good sense, I want to protect my investment. I don't really care about other smokers feelings when it comes to my investment. I don't want to replace drapes, carpeting and repaint because of the reek of stale smoke.
My home is not an investment per se, and I do allow people to smoke there. The kids can handle the refurbishing should they desire top dollar when they inherit and sell.
Paulie, if one lives close to an "Indian Reservation", yes that's politically incorrect, which sells tobacco products free of state/city taxes, it is worth an hour+ drive to make tobacco purchases. In New York state there is a thriving "black market" for reservation purchased products. People drive in purchases cartons of cigarettes for resale in New York City. It's illegal but, it's a thriving business for many.
The most fascinating part of this is that the "reservations" are usually heavily subsidized by Federal moneys (which come from taxes for by New York State residents) and are exempt from local and state taxes. Reservations are usually referred to as "Indian Country" politically incorrect or not.

 

[64alex]

[that health insurance is the very reason for grossly inflated health care costs?]
This is absolutely true. But it is also true that another reason of inflated health costs is that if there is no liability on costs for the individuals costs get out of control because people don't care how much is the cost.

 

[mawnansmiff]

"The point is, whether they actually smell smoke or not, all they have to do is complain, in order to set the wheels of eviction warnings in motion."
I appreciate your answer Philo but how on earth can one be evicted from a property that one owns?
Warren, yes, I can fully understand the situation if the apartment is rented, curtains, carpets stink etc but matey specifically said "in an apartment even if you own it" which is what flummoxed me.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[philobeddoe]

Jay, you can be evicted by being in violation of the building covenant that the residents have agreed to live by, and these can be amended at any time, depending on local laws. For instance, many apartment buildings require you to agree to a ownership or rental agreement that lays out what you may or may not do, such as loud music, parties, using your residence as a business etc.. These agreements also can have clauses that include such things as no smoking, no more than (x) number of occupants and in some cases, no child occupants. Any violation of these rules would receive either a warning or possibly an eviction. How you would be reimbursed for your purchase amount would vary by locale.

 

[wyfbane]

Yup ^
Land of the fr... notsomuch anymore.

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

Warren:here we already have this like Indian Reservation' situation created especially along eastern border where lots of folks who are residing near to Russian bordercrossing would go over filling up them cars with much cheaper gas and buying much cheaper tobacco products there similarly to that with U.S/Mexico border- many doing nice profit on reselling, not long ago,our government come up with new restrictions in order to stop this, travellers should be staying at lest 24 h abroad if they want to bring any tobacco back home,but as expected,the major part of those bordercrossing rabler'won't obey to this sanction,is this what we want?

 

[aldecaker]

"This is absolutely true. But it is also true that another reason of inflated health costs is that if there is no liability on costs for the individuals costs get out of control because people don't care how much is the cost."
This is why it is difficult to discuss medical care with people who literally cannot think about healthcare without thinking about collectivism. When the notion of collectivism is as tightly bound to healthcare in your thought process as are doctors and nurses, we have conversations like this.
Picture it this way: When an individual feels the need to go to the doctor, he does. The doctor gives him a bill, and he pays it. If he so desires, he may take out an actual insurance policy that will pay for catastrophic or long-term medical care. He does not pay a monthly bribe to an investment group (which is all a medical insurance company is) for the privilege of a doctor visit he can afford. A pretty Earth-shattering concept, huh? Except that 50 years ago, that was called "reality".

 

[mawnansmiff]

"For instance, many apartment buildings require you to agree to a ownership or rental agreement that lays out what you may or may not do..."
Philo, thanks for the expanded explanation. To be frank I'm quite shocked that such laws exist, I am not aware of any such laws over here but then I'm not a legal beagle.
I should imagine such laws can create serious tensions betwixt neighbours who feel that their lives are being impeded by someone doing his own thing within his own four walls.
Very sad and as Wyfbane points out...so much for the land of the free.
Regards,
Jay.

 

[brian64]

@aldecaker: Don’t worry, they’re developing a vaccine that will enable you to love and accept collectivism. Soon you’ll be able to get it at the nearest Walmart.
Hopefully you will do this voluntarily. Of course you’ll have to pay the deductible.

 

[davet]

if one lives close to an "Indian Reservation", yes that's politically incorrect, which sells tobacco products free of state/city taxes, it is worth an hour+ drive to make tobacco purchases.

Here the Government has made deals that if they charge the same amount as off reserve stores (taxes) they get to keep it. :crazy:

 

[lazar]

I thought this was a thread about Carter Hall. I'm gettin' outta here.

 

[jaytex1969]

My fellow Jay, it's not that such laws exist. It's that people have voluntarily agreed to and contractually bound themselves to these measures.
When I bought my little house, one unyielding criteria was the lack of any compulsory neighborhood association or other extraneous governing body to which I must pay money or attention.
We sign away many of our rights without thought.
Look at all the "binding arbitration" agreements on the credit cards, surrendering rights to your day in court, if ever needed.
We have found the enemy and it is us.....

 

[warren]

A lot of people love home owners associations, rental agreements, etc. as they set boundaries. I can't abide them. On the other side there a heck of lot more nonsmokers than smokers so it's only a small minority who are impacted by such laws and rules.
Every law adversely impacts some and is seen as a positive by others. People now have more freedom from smoke in bars and public spaces so, it's whose ox is being gored I suppose. It took a while but, I now rather enjoy a smoke free meal at a dining establish. What I do wish is that restaurant owners and bar keeps had had the courage to do ban such in their own establishment as opposed to lobbying for a law which covered all owners. They did this out of fear that the owner who allowed smoking might reap more profits. They had to have all such proprietors in the same boat.

 

[warren]

Davet, that does make a lot of sense from the stand point of suppressing bootlegging of cigarettes and the like. No profit, no bootlegging.

 

[piper64]

I recently phoned a company here in the UK to come and do a bit of work inside my home. The lady took the details and asked if anyone on the property smoked. She the told me to refrain from smoking starting 1 hour before the workmen were due. When the van pulled into the drive I waited as the driver finished his cigarette, flicked the stub into the rosebed then lit another and came to my door puffing away.

 

[bluto]

Some painters are concerned with residue on ceilings .
They may need tri sodium phosphate cleaning before painting ..

 

[seldom]

In San Francisco it is likely that one can legally buy marijuana with names like "Mango", "Pineapple", "Blueberry", "Grape Ape", "Juicy Fruit", "Banana OG", "Tangerine Dream", "UK Cheese", "Strawberry Cough" and "Cherry Pie". These are actual marijuana strains named after the way they taste. It would be absurd if one could legally buy these appetizingly named strains of marijuana but not, say, a bit of Lane 1Q. Keep in mind that marijuana is still illegal according to the federal government if not the state and thus lacks the oversight of the FDA or any other government agency.
Don't get me wrong. I think both marijuana and aromatic pipe tobacco should be legal and in fact believe all drugs should be legal. In my opinion what someone does in the privacy of their home is their own business provided they aren't harming children or any other people.