Your Arizona CCW Permit

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

A conversation like this all way turns to Dirty Harry and people who won't die because of bullets that are too small.

Soon we'll make it around to how .556 was intended to wound and not kill.

 

[brian64]

A conversation like this all way turns to Dirty Harry and people who won't die because of bullets that are too small.

Soon we'll make it around to how .556 was intended to wound and not kill.

You know it’s interesting as I recall when the first DH movie came out it was quite a controversy about how it was ridiculous because no cop would carry a 44 mag…impractical, etc. So they made a point of including the scene in the second movie where he says he’s using 44 specials in it…apparently to make it more believable...but then every time he shoots it there is still massive recoil, which wouldn't be the case if he were using specials.

Also as I recall, the .41 mag was supposedly originally designed as an ideal police caliber but it never caught on…at least I remember reading that somewhere a long time ago. That caliber seems to have just disappeared.

 

[Sobrbiker]

And It’s interesting if cops all like .357 because they all seem to be issued 9mm these days.

Issued, and what they’d like to carry are most often two separate things.

My comment relates only to caliber effectiveness on bipedal thin skinned dirtbags-the 357 magnum is a highly efficient man stopper, but hardly any cop would choose to limit themselves in capacity and speed of reloading.
357Sig is an expensive rather niche cartridge, but from those that have used it (I know counties here whose SAU’s use it), it’s very effective.
Most agencies dictate what officers will carry, and their choice is made by bureaucrats, not shooters. The advantage goes to the supplier that offers the cheapest “whole package” (support, armourer training, parts, accessories).
Unfortunately, very few cops are good shooters, and many don’t take advantage of the ammunition and training available to them -and only shoot near or at their dreaded qualification testing.

 

[brian64]

their choice is made by bureaucrats, not shooters

That pretty much sums it up.

As I said before, it's personal choice...nothing wrong with 9mm if that's what someone wants. But it's become ubiquitous because of adoption by pretty much all govt across the board...and so many new/recent gun owners seem to all end up with it, apparently because it's so widely available, and I think tends to be recommended by instructors. I assume 9mm ammo also tends to be less expensive because there's so much more of it. It's another reason to reload one's own if you choose certain other calibers, because availability as well as price is not nearly as good...and no way of knowing how that trend will continue in the future.

 

[gamzultovah]

I have an Indiana lifetime CCW but now that I’m a Florida resident, I need to get one here. I believe the Florida CCW reciprocates about everywhere.

Florida is a 2A state. You can conceal carry without a permit. Welcome to the wild west, Mark.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

That pretty much sums it up.

As I said before, it's personal choice...nothing wrong with 9mm if that's what someone wants. But it's become ubiquitous because of adoption by pretty much all govt across the board...and so many new/recent gun owners seem to all end up with it, apparently because it's so widely available, and I think tends to be recommended by instructors. I assume 9mm ammo also tends to be less expensive because there's so much more of it. It's another reason to reload one's own if you choose certain other calibers, because availability as well as price is not nearly as good...and no way of knowing how that trend will continue in the future.

How much does it end up costing you per shot to reload 45 acp?

Could you save money reloading 9mm?

 

[Briar Lee]

How much does it end up costing you per shot to reload 45 acp?

Could you save money reloading 9mm?

Outside of buying panics, it’s difficult to load a 9mm hardball for what they cost new.

I load for 45 ACP, more out of habit than anything else.

Where you can spend more money because you can shoot hundreds and hundreds of rounds is to load precast lead bullets in 38 Special and 44 Special.

Loading straight wall rimed revolver cases is THE WAY TO GO. You never lose a case in the grass. You don’t worry about headspace for long, long periods if ever. And you get to play with your revolver, not a plastic people shooter.

I just bought the last bottle of Bullseye in Sedalia, for $50. That bottle will load over 2,000 factory equivalent loads using Missouri Bullet Conpany 158 grain bullets at $55 per five hundred. That’s 2 1/2 cents for powder and 11 cents a bullet, and a small pistol primer (if you can find them) are about 9 cents each. Round to 23 cents a pop, $11.50 a box. If you cast your own bullets, half that. Using HP38 or Unique only adds a penny or so to the cost.

You could use Bullseye for 44 Special but I’m in the habit of using Unique, which only makes 900 loads per pound. If you can find Unique it would be $50, so 5 1/2 cents for powder, the 240 grain Keith bullets cost 15 cents and large pistol primers are easier to find, and still 9 cents. So it’s 30 cents a pop, $15 a box.

To make Keith loads, use 2400, and you’ll get 400 per pound, or 12 1/2 cents for powder, an extra $5 a box. But you won’t be shooting hundreds and hundreds of those.

The chief advantage to reloading is you go out and spend fifty bucks for powder and $75 gor bullets and $90 for primers and forget about it.

A month or two later you shoot three hundred times and have lotsa bullets left.

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

Florida is a 2A state. You can conceal carry without a permit. Welcome to the wild west, Mark.

Thanks Robert, I didn't realize that. I think I'll get one anyway. May help some with liability if there is an incident. And it would be good when traveling out of state.

 

[DesertDan]

One of the reasons I have leaned heavily into .38/.357, 44 mag and .30-06 is the wide variety of reloading options.
I am feeling the need for a lever action in .357
And like Briar Lee mentioned, .45acp is just a given.

 

[brian64]

How much does it end up costing you per shot to reload 45 acp?

Could you save money reloading 9mm?

It all depends on how much shooting you're doing and whether you want to invest the time into reloading or not I guess.

In the '90s I was doing competition shooting, both semi-auto and revolver, so was doing a lot of shooting then and really had to reload. I had a pretty elaborate Dillon set up. A lot of life changes got me away from all that (moving, job changes, divorce, etc) and some years where money was tight. Sold all that stuff long ago, and for a long time I was only shooting occasionally.

It's just been in recent years that I've started shooting a lot more often again...just target shooting at the range...so I got back into reloading with a much more modest set up.

I've never tried to figure out the price breakdown like Briar Lee did above. I just know that over time, if you're doing at least a fair amount of shooting, it'll save you money. But if you're only shooting 9mm, I'm not sure if it would be worth it or not...I really have no idea how the price would break down for that.

 

[brian64]

I am feeling the need for a lever action in .357

About a year or so ago I got a Marlin lever action .44 (which is made by Ruger now)...love it...fun to shoot.

 

[Briar Lee]

About a year or so ago I got a Marlin lever action .44 (which is made by Ruger now)...love it...fun to shoot.

I own this gorgeous 1982 JM Marlin Pre Safety 44 Mag 1894, and loved it until recently I bought a nearly new Rossi 92 44 and I loved that so much I got a nearly new Rossi .357/38 Model 92.

Hopefully Ruger has improved the miserable reliability of a Marlin 1894 shooting 44 Specials.

Rossi has improved their lever guns to Pre 64 Winchester specs, say about 1960 when the wolves started howling, and Winchester used cheaper wood. Finish is flawless, as is function.

John Wayne shot a Winchester 92.

So did Chuck Connors.

A like new used Rossi 92 is about $600 and by far the best bargain in a used firearm today, but it must be recent production.

You can tell to handle one and look at it,

By the way, I keep one 45 ACP so I can show my buddies my 1911. If I was a soldier it would be a perfect pistol to wear as an insignia of rank:

If you want to buy and shoot pistol bullets by the 500 and primers by the thousands and powder by the eight pound jug you want a 38 Special or 44 Special capable firearm, revolver or lever gun.

Each 38 or 44 goes bang in a .357 or 44 Magnum but that doesn’t reverse.

There is no point in reduced loads for a .357 or 44 Mag. You should shoot those when you feel like Dirty Harry.

As for the modern 9mm plastic striker fired pistol:

To arm, train and supply millions of cops and soldiers to occasionally use one to kill another child of God that needs killing, it’s perfect. That’s why practice ammo is cheaper than reloading. It is only a deadly weapon.

It could be used for bragging or sporting purposes, but why?

Elmer Keith could shoot at wounded mule deer at 600 yards with a Wonder Nine until judgement day with no effect.

 

[brian64]

Hopefully Ruger has improved the miserable reliability of a Marlin 1894 shooting 44 Specials.

I'm sufficiently impressed with it...seems very well made to me. I've done a fair amount of shooting with it, both full magnum loads and specials and it's performed flawlessly.

EDIT: but when I say specials, I mean magnum length cases with special loads. I never use special cases, so know idea if feeding might be an issue with that...but I doubt it because there's so little difference.

 

[Sobrbiker]

That pretty much sums it up.

As I said before, it's personal choice...nothing wrong with 9mm if that's what someone wants. But it's become ubiquitous because of adoption by pretty much all govt across the board...and so many new/recent gun owners seem to all end up with it, apparently because it's so widely available, and I think tends to be recommended by instructors. I assume 9mm ammo also tends to be less expensive because there's so much more of it. It's another reason to reload one's own if you choose certain other calibers, because availability as well as price is not nearly as good...and no way of knowing how that trend will continue in the future.

I primarily run 9 and 556 platforms because the threat of actually needing national home defense switched from a red threat to a blue threat
Any SHTF plan that doesn’t include availability of resupply is deficient in my opinion.

 

[DesertDan]

I am soon to upgrade my EDC to a soulless, plastic 9mm bullet hose. For me it has more pros than cons.

 

[Brad H]

I’m fixing to apply for my concealed Chuck Norris permit. Just carry him around for when things get rough.

 

[Briar Lee]

I am soon to upgrade my EDC to a soulless, plastic 9mm bullet hose. For me it has more pros than cons.

Gaston Glock never shot a pistol in his life.

He designed the perfect machine to shoot 9mm Luger rounds.

So long as men use powder and metal bullets ignited by percussion primers a Glock is going to be the best belt carried man killer ever devised.

How did that work out for him?

Xxxx

Gaston Glock, the inventor of the Glock pistol, was a billionaire. In 2021, Forbes estimated that Glock and his family's net worth was $1.1 billion. However, Glock's lawyers objected to the valuation and his inclusion in the list. He eventually prevailed and was left off future lists.

Explanation

• Glock was the founder and majority owner of Glock GmbH, the Austrian gun manufacturer.
  
  
• He became wealthy after the Austrian Army chose the Glock as its new service pistol in 1983.
  
  
• Glock's success grew, and he became a reclusive billionaire.
  
  
• He lived on a lakefront estate in Austria.
  
  
• He was known for being reclusive and using his influence to keep his name and line of work out of the Austrian media.
  

Glock died at age 94 in December 2023.

 

[Sobrbiker]

I am soon to upgrade my EDC to a soulless, plastic 9mm bullet hose. For me it has more pros than cons.

I can’t shoot Glocks intuitively, so I’m an HS2000 (Springfield XD) shooter.
Try out a Springfield Hellcat, amazing little package, if I were buying, that’s where I’d go.
Give me a shout if you find yourself in the CG area one of these days.

 

[DesertDan]

I can’t shoot Glocks intuitively, so I’m an HS2000 (Springfield XD) shooter.
Try out a Springfield Hellcat, amazing little package, if I were buying, that’s where I’d go.
Give me a shout if you find yourself in the CG area one of these days.

Will do.

 

[Brad H]

As a former gunsmith, I recommend you clean your Glock every 5000 rounds. Personally I have tossed one in the dishwasher.
I have done a few trigger jobs. Best one ever was on a blue smith 19. Now it’s a little bit for concealed carry but an amazing gun. 4 inch.
If I had to carry a wheel gun I would carry smith 642 (which I did for years in an ankle holster. Or a smith 65 3 inch round butt.
Ruger makes an 357 LCR which I would recommend. It’s a pretty solid gun. I’d only shoot 38 special +p out of it though.