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ravenwolf

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Mar 18, 2014
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Great post!
You know, I really don't mind hipsters. I like a lot of the things they are interested in. They get people talking, and that's probably a good thing. I may even be one myself, for all I know - I like American Spirits, I have nerdy glasses (my prescription is heavy), I have facial hair, I like good brews, older style hats, and have many tattoos with fairly esoteric meanings to them. If I wasn't so damned lazy, I'd ride a bike, which I used to do a fair bit of. I prefer progressive metal and folk metal music, obscure enough where few people ever recognize the bands I enjoy. I've smoked a pipe since I was 19, about to turn 27 now, so I guess I fit the age bracket even.
Ironically, I am pretty much a social isolationist by choice and borderline workaholic. I don't have to deal with people, they don't have to deal with me, and I end up with some extra cash for my eccentric hobbies after paying the bills. Works for me.
The only thing I can't get figure out is the tight clothes. Then again, I'm 6'3 and 250 pounds :rofl: My clothing is more utilitarian - comfortable, durable, effective is really all I seem to care about.
I'm not a trend setter and never cared for what is trendy in the least. I'd venture to say that things that are interesting can be pursued in isolation, inherently because they are interesting - much like pipe smoking.

 
Apr 26, 2012
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Metalheads don't listen to Heavy Metal music to be part of the "in crowd" nor do they dress the way they do to fit in. Same goes for the Punks. Pipe smokers don't smoke pipes to be part of the "in crowd," and the same goes for cigar smokers. Metalheads, Punks, pipe smokers and cigar smokers are all passionate about their hobbies/lifestyles and choose to partake in those, because they have a real love for the hobbie/lifestyle.
Hipsters partake in things because they're trying to be someone they're not and are trying to represent an image that isn't truly them but are trying desperately to be part of. They're doing it for all the wrong reasons.
I'm a Metalhead and I usually have to defend the music I choose to listen to, because the average person thinks its "Devil music" and I'm worshiping Satan. I have to defend my pipe and cigar smoking because the non-smokers want to crucify me for killing others with my second hand smoke. Doesn't sound like a very hipster thing to do to me.

 

okiescout

Lifer
Jan 27, 2013
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"I recently heard my local pipe shop (who has a weekly podcast) talk about this. They gave the best explanation to this I've heard. If you are smoking a pipe to try and complete a "Look" then you're probably what people would classify as a Hipster. However if you're smoking because you like the taste, ritual, or the art of the pipe itself then you're more than likely not a "hipster". I personally don't care why anyone chooses to smoke a pipe, it's not going to dampen my love of the leaf and warm brier."
Thanks, freakiefrog! This was all going over my old head. I appreciate the opportunity to get clued in to an ever-changing world.

Guess I need to watch more TV. No, that isn't going to happen. :roll:

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Poseur = hipster? I think hipster is just synonym for hipster. Not a fan of either, but I really take no notice of them. It's hard to be a hipster up here when you are wearing long underwear, shirt, down vest, parka, balaclava, over-shoes (with chains), snow pants, and gloves.

 

blueeyedogre

Lifer
Oct 17, 2013
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Yes, I have a beard. I wear Redwing 877 boots daily and have a pair of Brogue Rangers for dress wear. I wear sweaters often. My glasses have black plastic frames. My camera of choice is a 40yr old Canon AE-1 that was my dad's......

Does this make me a hipster? I say not even though I do acknowledge that I share a lot of things in common with the "hipster crowd". I like a bread but it is not a statement, Redwing makes good shoes that are comfortable, I live in Canada..... It gets fucking cold here and sweaters are warm, I have a big head and the glasses fit, and finally the AE-1 is a good camera and I know how to work it. I don't follow the hipster manifesto but I don't mind that they seem to have good taste in buying quality stuff. I haven't had much contact with "Real Hipsters" per say, I doubt I would mind them anyway, but I think I'd rather have my kid play in a park frequented by Hipsters then one frequented by the "Rap generation"..... You know the type.... hat on sideways, more underwear showing then was ever meant to be shown, and zero respect for anything not wearing a 50cent, Tupac, or Eminem shirt.

Personally I feel that if Hipsters are the new fade coming out that we can do a lot worse.

 

pipebaum81

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Great thoughts everybody! Everyone should just be happy and respectful of others. Do onto others and all that stuff....

 

deathmetal

Lifer
Jul 21, 2015
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Hipsters destroy everything they touch because for them, any object or practice is only a method of making themselves look more ironic.
This is perhaps the best article ever on hipsters:
Ever since the Allies bombed the Axis into submission, Western civilization has had a succession of counter-culture movements that have energetically challenged the status quo. Each successive decade of the post-war era has seen it smash social standards, riot and fight to revolutionize every aspect of music, art, government and civil society.
But after punk was plasticized and hip hop lost its impetus for social change, all of the formerly dominant streams of “counter-culture” have merged together. Now, one mutating, trans-Atlantic melting pot of styles, tastes and behavior has come to define the generally indefinable idea of the “Hipster.”
An artificial appropriation of different styles from different eras, the hipster represents the end of Western civilization – a culture lost in the superficiality of its past and unable to create any new meaning. Not only is it unsustainable, it is suicidal. While previous youth movements have challenged the dysfunction and decadence of their elders, today we have the “hipster” – a youth subculture that mirrors the doomed shallowness of mainstream society.
https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
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It may be the best article on "hipsters" but, it missed the mark historically. Counter culture movements have been around since time immemorial. The article is a bit provincial in its scope. Socrates led a counter-culture, as did Murat, Martin Luther King, the venerated "Fathers of Our Country", Trotsky et alii, and any number of people over the centuries. And each was decried as the end of civilization as we know it by the "establishment.
Poor Mr. Haddow is sadly lacking in perspective if he thinks this all started after WWII.

 

prndl

Lifer
Apr 30, 2014
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Great googly moogly.
They never called me "hipster" back when I drank PBR. They did, however, call me "broke".

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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I only drank PBR after they stopped make Meisterbrau, a delicious hoppy Chicago brew, extra cheap, that for decades came in big glass bottles, and later cans. Someone should reintroduce Meisterbrau, like they do old favored pipe tobacco blends. I would taste ... artisanal.

 

stickframer

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 11, 2015
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I've never really understood how to define a "hipster" because it's so....generic? The article helped a little bit.

I once saw a young man wearing black thick rimmed glasses with no lenses. I was speechless, I mean what is the point of that?

 
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It may be the best article on "hipsters" but, it missed the mark historically. Counter culture movements have been around since time immemorial. The article is a bit provincial in its scope. Socrates led a counter-culture, as did Murat, Martin Luther King, the venerated "Fathers of Our Country", Trotsky et alii, and any number of people over the centuries. And each was decried as the end of civilization as we know it by the "establishment.
Poor Mr. Haddow is sadly lacking in perspective if he thinks this all started after WWII.
Warren is so right on this.
Adbusters themselves dwell within a "symbolical hollowness", they can only attack in righteous indigination, and offer nothing except empty ideology - it's so easy to criticize things, and the snarky parody they often engage in reeks with that "look how clever we are" vibe. I have dismissed their publication entirely.
Mr. Haddow's cynical piece fits right in, and it's like shooting fish in a barrel, and most everything he writes is accurate, but it's also painfully obvious to anyone who might happen into that same sort of dance club and tries to interact with the people there. If he meant it to be a clarion call and to shame a certain cultural segment and prompt a more serious milieu, then maybe it was a noble effort. I'm unsure what his intentions were, but it reads as if he's just a bit smug and bitchy.
I think these are his best points:
Hipsterdom is the first “counterculture” to be born under the advertising industry’s microscope, leaving it open to constant manipulation but also forcing its participants to continually shift their interests and affiliations. Less a subculture, the hipster is a consumer group – using their capital to purchase empty authenticity and rebellion. But the moment a trend, band, sound, style or feeling gains too much exposure, it is suddenly looked upon with disdain. Hipsters cannot afford to maintain any cultural loyalties or affiliations for fear they will lose relevance.
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We are a lost generation, desperately clinging to anything that feels real, but too afraid to become it ourselves. We are a defeated generation, resigned to the hypocrisy of those before us, who once sang songs of rebellion and now sell them back to us. We are the last generation, a culmination of all previous things, destroyed by the vapidity that surrounds us. The hipster represents the end of Western civilization – a culture so detached and disconnected that it has stopped giving birth to anything new.
But as Warren pointed out,

he is lacking historical perspective.
He should have at least read Lipstick Traces by Greil Marcus...
from the London review of Books:
Around 529 BC the armies of the Persian Empire tried to conquer a mysterious and reclusive people who lived somewhere to the east of the Caspian Sea – to this day we do not know exactly where. The Persians acted simply because of Cyrus the Great’s overweening ambition. As it turned out, Cyrus’s armies were defeated and he was killed in the battle. The Massagetae, left once again to themselves, slipped back out of monumental history: back to their unusual customs of sex and death, to the horses for which they were famous, to their sun worship.
Practically all we know of the Massagetae – which is precious little – comes from a few pages in the first of our Western monumental histories, Herodotus. Later historians do not spend much time on a people who lived so resolutely, not to say religiously, at the margin, and who would soon be swallowed up in the quick abyss of time. We know the Massagetae must have had a rich culture from their brief and undesired appearance in one of our imperial histories. Nevertheless, the true history of the Massagetae has escaped us. It remains a closed book, a secret history.
Greil Marcus’s ‘secret history of the 20th century’ does not mention the Massagetae. His principal subjects – the Sex Pistols, Dada, the Situationist International – send him plunging back into earlier epochs for proleptic and analogous movements and events: the Catharists, the Brethren of the Free Spirit, the Lollards, the Ranters, John of Leyden and the French Commune. Marcus draws these and others into his secret history of the 20th century because he is interested in revolution and apocalypse: the kind of secret history which moves not in a world elsewhere, beyond the periphery of our dominant apparitions, but inside those apparitions, the ghosts within the ghostly machines of the social worlds we know.
Revolution and apocalypse are hardly secret or non-monumental topics. Indeed, the modern world – let us say the past four hundred years – has been fairly dominated by the revolutionary impulse and event. But monumental revolution is not much to Marcus’s taste either. We hear little or nothing about the English Revolution, the French Revolution, the American Revolution, nothing about the Soviet or the Chinese Revolutions. These are all out of court because Marcus is after something at once more catastrophic and more insignificant: the Sex Pistols, Dada, the Situationist International.
What these three phenomena embody for Marcus is a peculiarly 20th-century preoccupation: ‘art and revolution playing [themselves] out in a realm of amusements and commodities’. From the vantage of (any) realpolitik, Johnny Rotten, Guy Debord and the Cabaret Voltaire represent brief epiphenomenal waves on the powerful surge of human events – at most minor indices of greater and more important human struggles. Indeed, they customarily do not figure very largely in those monumental sub-histories which might otherwise have paid them homage: the history of music, art, poetry.
Dada or Surrealism; the Sex Pistols or Michael Jackson; the Situationist International or – well, if nothing bears comparison with it, few would have any trouble establishing the scale on which to measure the importance of Guy Debord and his band of angels. The comparisons themselves are eloquent enough, for in none of these cases are we dealing with ‘serious’ art or culture. Perhaps Surrealism has at last gotten a ticket to ride. In Marcus’s book, however, Surrealism emerges as the debased product of Dada just as Michael Jackson is the farcical return of the (repressed) Sex Pistols.
Lipstick Traces is an attempt to explain the significance of the Sex Pistols. It is a highly personal book, a kind of quest by America’s most acute citizen of pop culture to elucidate ‘the secret the Sex Pistols didn’t tell’ – ‘which they only acted out’. Toward the end of his book Marcus explains that the ‘secret’ is in fact a certain kind of (hi)story: ‘I found a tale composed of incomplete sentences, voices cut off or falling silent ... a tale of recapitulations staged again and again in different theatres – a map made altogether of dead ends ... And so, pursuing this story, when I finally came across Debord’s homily on the ephemeral ... I was drawn to it as far as I was drawn to the noise of punk: to his frank and determined embrace of moments in which the world seems to change, moments that leave nothing behind but dissatisfaction, disappointment, rage, sorrow, isolation and vanity.’

 

maxx

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 10, 2015
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I'm 58. Except for a period from the late 1970s to the mid 1980s, I've had long hair from age 12 or 13 to now. I've had a goatee since the mid 1980s, prior to the influence of the grunge style in my area. When grunge hit, beards were sprouting all around me and it seemed my steel toed boots (Redwing in my case, not Martins) and flannel shirts were all the rage. I waited it out, and sure enough, the fashion went out of favor and the beards and flannel and boots disappeared. By then, I'd stopped wearing flannel myself, and switched to black T-shirts (still my style). I still wear the boots and have the hair and goatee, because this is what I am. You will never see me with an ear stud or tattoo, two pervasive indicators of follow-the-herd cool these days. I tell anyone who needs to understand, that "this hair isn't hippie hair, its metal hair." I've never identified with the hippies. For one thing, they weren't masculine enough to my way of thinking. I sometimes tell people I'm a closet redneck. I'm actually too intellectual to be one (I spent my 20s obsessed with epistemology and logic and mathematics) but I can see the appeal of it. I rode Harleys for awhile, not to follow any trend (there wasn't one) but because if I'm going to ride a bike, that's the real deal for me, not a civilian style racing bike. I started smoking a pipe because it appealed to me, and even now I have not seen a single pipe smoker as I'm out and about. At the tobacco store, the young people are all smoking those fake smoke, chemical sticks. I thought that was the latest fad, not pipes.
Just as grunge went out of fashion, so too will any other youth-made fashion. Because a later generation of youth will want their own trends, not that of the earlier youth. Sadly, I see no end to the tattoo, even though it's now become a sign of conformity, not rebellion or independent thought.
Remember when cigars were a fad? If pipes are becoming one, this too shall pass.

 

blueeyedogre

Lifer
Oct 17, 2013
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Hipsters, hippies, steam punk, emo, bangers, metal heads, punker...... Who gives a damn? They have no effect or issue in my life so I say live and let live. Be who you want to be and be it well.

 
May 4, 2015
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They have no effect or issue in my life so I say live and let live. Be who you want to be and be it well.
Yeeup. Happiness is hard to come by in this life. If someone finds joy in ironic mustaches or old timey hats, vintage video games or making costumes of their favorite Sci fi movie characters - I encourage them to embrace that joy.
You get 80 years, give or take. Do what you want with it. I'll do what I want with mine. Sometimes those things will overlap and we will become friends!
Many people waste too much energy being concerned about what other people are doing.

 

effektor

Might Stick Around
Aug 4, 2013
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For many its simply an affectation, and people begin to assume that applies to others as well. Having people view pipe smoking as something done simply for attention can be annoying, but it also turns off people who might otherwise enjoy pipe smoking. No, it doesn't directly affect my if somebody buys a cheap pipe and smokes cigarette tobacco or weed out of it. On the other hand, it does give something I enjoy a negative connotation.

 
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