Well I'm Fat Pt2

[georged]

That's exactly what I'm referring to as homespun wisdom. You can couch it in those scientific terms if you like, but basically what you're saying it 'eat less, move more'. Ask a 1,000 people how to lose weight, and 999 of them will offer that advice. Restating such tiresome cliches here seems unlikely to help. I mean, do you really, honestly believe that such advice will be new to the OP?

Hm...

If the physical facts of the matter---the unarguable, impossible-to-deny truth of the situation regardless of what label you want to put on it---is not likely to help him, then nothing is.

It's like someone standing on the top of a tall building insisting he be told how to shut off gravity if he steps off the edge. Not how to survive by wearing a parachute or getting picked up by a helicopter, but ONLY by shutting off gravity. No other answer will satisfy.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

 

[telescopes]

Straight talk. What bullshit. Walking up to a meth addict and telling them they need to get off meth is straight talk. And gets you what? Some satisfaction that you were - what - honest? A lot of straight talking assholes on this forum have been told numerous times that they were being assholes and what did that straight talk accomplish? Nothing. Probably for the same reason straight talk doesn’t work with someone having food/weight issues. It takes a bit more than straight talk to get a drug addict off drugs. Most of the time. And the road to good nutritional health in the western world is the same for many others. What is possible for one individual with a regime of exercise and good food choices may require a bit more for another individual. A CPAP is a crutch, not a solution. I think the OP knows that. But until he can get his weight under control it is an important crutch. Of course calorie intake and exercise is the ultimate key, but if the key isn’t fitting into the lock easily, assistance is called for. Pontificating about calories and exercise serves only the preacher. The OP is quite aware of the need to eat better and exercise.

Yes, it ultimately is about calorie intake. But many of our foods act in such a manner that for some, the addiction is no different than meth. On top of that gut bacteria, hormones, and all sorts of body chemistry have been so wrecked that the road to good health is an upward mountainous path.

 

[andrew]

Fellow cpap enjoyer here. I ended up buying on off Craigslist and setting it myself because the wait list was so long. After 3 years they phoned me and I finally got another one. Sleep apnea sucks, I'm very tall and it seems tall people get it even if they're skinny.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

Yeah... Whats more offensive?

Comparing the guy to a meth-head because he needs to lose a few pounds?

Or

Telling him he's got this, all he has to do is put forth some effort?


OP, I hate that you're going through it. I'm pulling for ya. Hopefully you won't find any ill will in my comments. I sure didn't intend that.

• No fat people have ever starved to death.

• Meth-heads do need to stop using meth, it would greatly improve their lives.

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

Hell, @brian64 has been harping on me quit the diet cokes for years...

I gave it a try and I feel a lot better.

 

[WhiteCrown]

I wish I hadn't clicked on this. And I wish some of you hadn't cliqued on this, I see the same old folks are still at it after a couple years, and this isn't the only thread. 80 percent of the people on here have so much useful knowledge, the other 20 are just satisfying their own boredom at the expense of others. Just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should.

To the OP, there's life outside of the internet, get out there and talk to real people that have real social skills. There's people that will tell you what you need to hear because they want to help and not just masquerade that's what they are doing. These ones are really just trying to get a rise out of you to satisfy themselves by either poising that they are better than you, or the more elementary method of knocking you down a peg so their peg is higher, ya know, like kids in school. Some of these folks have been in the same pack for a long time, they are old hands at it. They are going to reply that I need thicker skin to be on the internet or something to that effect (except now they are thinking of something else to say).

I see this place hasn't changed much, this isn't the kind of club I want to be a part of, and I'm sure that suits some of you just fine. Call me a snowflake, or say something about urinating in my Wheaties or whatever you come up with. Call it my gift to you, being another target to improve your sad day.

In reality, the truly tough people climb the ladder of life with their own strength, not by pulling others down to get to the next rung. Of course some of you just stay at the bottom too.

 

[brian64]

Hell, @brian64 has been harping on me quit the diet cokes for years...

I gave it a try and I feel a lot better.

Glad to hear it brother! Now just don't fall off the wagon.

Actual footage of Funkenhouser last time he hit rock bottom:

 

[The Benedictine]

Yeah... Whats more offensive?

Comparing the guy to a meth-head because he needs to lose a few pounds?

Or

Telling him he's got this, all he has to do is put forth some effort?


OP, I hate that you're going through it. I'm pulling for ya. Hopefully you won't find any ill will in my comments. I sure didn't intend that.

• No fat people have ever starved to death.

• Meth-heads do need to stop using meth, it would greatly improve their lives.

You weren't the problem. I have put in effort. For some reason I can't lose it. I run 5 miles everyday; to and from a lovely covered bridge. I lift weights and I also do farm work daily. It's something wrong with me and having psychopharmacological medications doesn't help the matter.

 

[jpberg]

I wish I hadn't clicked on this. And I wish some of you hadn't cliqued on this, I see the same old folks are still at it after a couple years, and this isn't the only thread. 80 percent of the people on here have so much useful knowledge, the other 20 are just satisfying their own boredom at the expense of others. Just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should.

To the OP, there's life outside of the internet, get out there and talk to real people that have real social skills. There's people that will tell you what you need to hear because they want to help and not just masquerade that's what they are doing. These ones are really just trying to get a rise out of you to satisfy themselves by either poising that they are better than you, or the more elementary method of knocking you down a peg so their peg is higher, ya know, like kids in school. Some of these folks have been in the same pack for a long time, they are old hands at it. They are going to reply that I need thicker skin to be on the internet or something to that effect (except now they are thinking of something else to say).

I see this place hasn't changed much, this isn't the kind of club I want to be a part of, and I'm sure that suits some of you just fine. Call me a snowflake, or say something about urinating in my Wheaties or whatever you come up with. Call it my gift to you, being another target to improve your sad day.

In reality, the truly tough people climb the ladder of life with their own strength, not by pulling others down to get to the next rung. Of course some of you just stay at the bottom too.

Welcome to pmag! Where ya from?

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

Glad to hear it brother! Now just don't fall off the wagon.

Actual footage of Funkenhouser last time he hit rock bottom:

If that guy doesn't have diabetes and sleep apnea, you can call me a monkey's uncle.

 

[woodsroad]

I've had sleep apnea my entire life, but it wasn't diagnosed until 2007. I had it when I was skinny, and when I was fat. Extra weight makes it worse, but I had it when I was skinny. I now use a CPAP and I love it. Everyone else will tell you that they hate it, but not me. It has helped to restore my memory, and improved my overall health tremendously. And, in the winter, I can sleep completely under the covers! I put that mask on and fall right to sleep. It's a mental thing, really. Don't start thinking about how much you hate it. Accentuate the positive and the CPAP will be your friend.

As for losing weight, it's something I've battled for years. Food is wonderful! But I have to agree with what Warren bravely said: It's a mind game. Yes, there are genetic/evolutionary factors at work here, like the fact that people who could easily pack on the pounds and store fat were much more likely to survive a famine. But you can lose that weight. I did it during COVID. Lost 40 pounds doing a modified Keto diet and eating only two meals a day, few snacks. Cut out most of the carbs and sugars. Got some exercise. It was difficult for the first few weeks, I'll admit, then I actually liked it. I felt great. Gained it all back when life got stressful. That was on me, I failed and it kicked me in the ass. I'm starting it all back up again after our short vacation this weekend.

 

[georged]

Straight talk. What bullshit. Walking up to a meth addict and telling them they need to get off meth is straight talk. And gets you what? Some satisfaction that you were - what - honest? A lot of straight talking assholes on this forum have been told numerous times that they were being assholes and what did that straight talk accomplish? Nothing. Probably for the same reason straight talk doesn’t work with someone having food/weight issues. It takes a bit more than straight talk to get a drug addict off drugs. Most of the time. And the road to good nutritional health in the western world is the same for many others. What is possible for one individual with a regime of exercise and good food choices may require a bit more for another individual. A CPAP is a crutch, not a solution. I think the OP knows that. But until he can get his weight under control it is an important crutch. Of course calorie intake and exercise is the ultimate key, but if the key isn’t fitting into the lock easily, assistance is called for. Pontificating about calories and exercise serves only the preacher. The OP is quite aware of the need to eat better and exercise.

Yes, it ultimately is about calorie intake. But many of our foods act in such a manner that for some, the addiction is no different than meth. On top of that gut bacteria, hormones, and all sorts of body chemistry have been so wrecked that the road to good health is an upward mountainous path.

The first lines of each paragraph contradict each other so elegantly.

 

[woodsroad]

Straight talk. What bullshit. Walking up to a meth addict and telling them they need to get off meth is straight talk. And gets you what? Some satisfaction that you were - what - honest?

I think that most people who have dealt with drug addicted friends and family receive no satisfaction from telling them that they have to change their life. Comparing obesity with a drug addiction, although they are similar in many ways and may have the same root cause, is not helpful for anyone.

A lot of straight talking assholes on this forum have been told numerous times that they were being assholes and what did that straight talk accomplish? Nothing. Probably for the same reason straight talk doesn’t work with someone having food/weight issues. It takes a bit more than straight talk to get a drug addict off drugs. Most of the time.

Again, the conflation of drug abuse and obesity isn't going to contribute to a favorable outcome for anyone.

And the road to good nutritional health in the western world is the same for many others. What is possible for one individual with a regime of exercise and good food choices may require a bit more for another individual. A CPAP is a crutch, not a solution.

While apnea is often caused or aggravated by obesity, it is not the sole cause. About 30% of obstructive sleep apnea patients have physiological problems that will not be cured by losing weight. As long as I can remember, I'd wake up gasping for air. And I wasn't overweight until I was in my mid 40's.

Of course calorie intake and exercise is the ultimate key, but if the key isn’t fitting into the lock easily, assistance is called for. Pontificating about calories and exercise serves only the preacher. The OP is quite aware of the need to eat better and exercise.

Yes, it ultimately is about calorie intake. But many of our foods act in such a manner that for some, the addiction is no different than meth. On top of that gut bacteria, hormones, and all sorts of body chemistry have been so wrecked that the road to good health is an upward mountainous path.

Just before COVID hit, I went out to breakfast with a friend, as I had done quite often. He's a big guy. 6'5, muscular, big bone structure. It can hide a lot of excess weight. He usually ordered the special that had one of everything on the menu. That day, he was just having coffee. Said he was retiring in 3 months and he wanted to get back to his weight when he started the job, 20 years earlier, so he was doing a keto-style diet and cutting out one meal. He had already lost ten pounds since the last time I saw him, and had 40 more to go. He was happy and looked great. That was all the motivation I needed to try losing the weight that I had gained over the previous twenty years. Despite having tried and failed so many times before, that was the only thing I needed to see. Now, OK, I eventually gained some of it back (he didn't), but this thread has motivated me to do it again. I'll report back. And maybe it will get me off the meff, too.

 

[andrew]

You weren't the problem. I have put in effort. For some reason I can't lose it. I run 5 miles everyday; to and from a lovely covered bridge. I lift weights and I also do farm work daily. It's something wrong with me and having psychopharmacological medications doesn't help the matter.

You should consider trying peptides, like semaglutide is one that's very popular. But yes psychological meds can cause weight gain, similar to how steroids cause water retention. Peptides block out "food noise" as people call it. Like you stop eating because you're full.

 

[woodsroad]

You should consider trying peptides, like semaglutide is one that's very popular. But yes psychological meds can cause weight gain, similar to how steroids cause water retention. Peptides block out "food noise" as people call it. Like you stop eating because you're full.

The problem with using medications to lose weight is that eventually you have to stop taking them. The side effects are real and can be life-threatening for some patients. The only sustainable way to maintain a healthy weight is through diet and exercise. Or tapeworms.

 

[The Benedictine]

You should consider trying peptides, like semaglutide is one that's very popular. But yes psychological meds can cause weight gain, similar to how steroids cause water retention. Peptides block out "food noise" as people call it. Like you stop eating because you're full.

I'll be prescribed zepbound. With my activity level and the medicine I should be able to burn just the fat and not the muscle.

 

[WerewolfOfLondon]

Hm...

If the physical facts of the matter---the unarguable, impossible-to-deny truth of the situation regardless of what label you want to put on it---is not likely to help him, then nothing is.

It's like someone standing on the top of a tall building insisting he be told how to shut off gravity if he steps off the edge. Not how to survive by wearing a parachute or getting picked up by a helicopter, but ONLY by shutting off gravity. No other answer will satisfy.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

That's not a good analogy. No one here is suggesting that biological realities can be circumvented, in the way the lunatic in your analogy wants physical ones to be. This is the second time you've tried to shoehorn physics into a conversation about weight loss, I'm not convinced you've been successful in either attempt. Two different subjects.

In any event, I'm not so interested in the science of it. I just find some of these responses extraordinary. The OP has made it clear that excercise and diet have thus far not worked. Yet so many jump in with the advice that he needs to diet and excercise. And then act like brave tellers of unspoken truths in telling him something we know he has heard upteen times. It's just rude isn't it, unless these hard speaking men of the truth really are labouring under the assumption that the OP hasn't heard this advice before. I mean, one would have to be living under a rock, on Mars not to hear it, but OK...

 

[greeneyes]

Apropos of the science, this article came out today:

‘Brain dial’ turns food consumption on or off in mice

Master-control area integrates information about hunger, a food’s tastiness and more — and can even drive intake of plastic pellets.

www.nature.com

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

I wish I hadn't clicked on this. And I wish some of you hadn't cliqued on this, I see the same old folks are still at it after a couple years, and this isn't the only thread. 80 percent of the people on here have so much useful knowledge, the other 20 are just satisfying their own boredom at the expense of others. Just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should.

To the OP, there's life outside of the internet, get out there and talk to real people that have real social skills. There's people that will tell you what you need to hear because they want to help and not just masquerade that's what they are doing. These ones are really just trying to get a rise out of you to satisfy themselves by either poising that they are better than you, or the more elementary method of knocking you down a peg so their peg is higher, ya know, like kids in school. Some of these folks have been in the same pack for a long time, they are old hands at it. They are going to reply that I need thicker skin to be on the internet or something to that effect (except now they are thinking of something else to say).

I see this place hasn't changed much, this isn't the kind of club I want to be a part of, and I'm sure that suits some of you just fine. Call me a snowflake, or say something about urinating in my Wheaties or whatever you come up with. Call it my gift to you, being another target to improve your sad day.

In reality, the truly tough people climb the ladder of life with their own strength, not by pulling others down to get to the next rung. Of course some of you just stay at the bottom too.

If you find this forum offensive, you should cancel your internet service. Why did it matter if you find a few people you disagree with our even find offensive? Block them. Ignore them. If you otherwise enjoy the site, I don't understand. Your choice though.

 

[SmokingInTheWind]

As for losing weight, it's something I've battled for years. Food is wonderful! But I have to agree with what Warren bravely said: It's a mind game. Yes, there are genetic/evolutionary factors at work here, like the fact that people who could easily pack on the pounds and store fat were much more likely to survive a famine. But you can lose that weight. I did it during COVID. Lost 40 pounds doing a modified Keto diet and eating only two meals a day, few snacks. Cut out most of the carbs and sugars. Got some exercise. It was difficult for the first few weeks, I'll admit, then I actually liked it. I felt great. Gained it all back when life got stressful. That was on me, I failed and it kicked me in the ass. I'm starting it all back up again after our short vacation this weekend.

I tried losing weight by restricting calories and burning calories through exercise. I was always tired and hungry and grumpy so I gave up. I always hit a plateau and the weight loss would stall. I had been eating like crap for a while and put all the weight back on. I went on a carnivore diet for one month and lost 30 lbs which put me at my desired weight. I didn’t add any additional exercise beyond what I did at work, and I was never hungry. I shifted to a keto diet and maintained the weight loss even without exercise. I exercise now to build and maintain strength but it is not necessary for me to maintain my weight while on a keto diet. My wife had similar results.

So, you can either eat salad, be hungry, and run your butt off, or eat all the steak you want and surf the pipe forums. The latter worked for me. As always, YMMV.