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georged

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Or you could say he could stop eating altogether. I once stopped eating for a month, survived on water only. Lost a bunch of weight, naturally, looked like a skeleton. Was it good for me, health wise? I'm not sure. Would I recommend it to just anyone? Absolutely not. It could very well do more harm than good.

Wut?

Eating is not a binary thing.

"Less" does not mean "none".
 
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georged

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Point being, eating less or none might not be healthy for a specific individual. There's no one size fits all.

Within 10% or so, the caloric requirement to maintain bodyweight is the same for every human.

WHAT you eat to "score" that caloric requirement is a separate subject. It's also where health considerations enter the picture.
 
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warren

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Yet you make all these recommendations on how the OP should live.
Of course. He posted, appearing to seek advice. Perhaps he's only posting just to post but, I seriously am offering, based on my experience of carrying extra pounds for many years and experiencing some of the manifestations he says he's experiencing. If he isn't seeking information why would he post such personal problems? I, personally would not post such on a public forum as it's no one's business but mine. But, he appears to be seeking a wide spectrum of advice or, quite possibly just looking for sympathy.

So, I've offered up my personal observations and suggestions purely because I interpreted his OPs as requests for assistance. Your opinion, no matter how helpful it is, I did not solicit but, such is the nature of boards like this I appreciate it being freely offered whether it is responsive to the OP or not. bdw

I suspect we are derailed sufficiently that's the thread will be rapidly closed.
 

jpberg

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Lots of harsh, judgemental comments thrown in the direction of the OP. The bloke's just trying to lose weight. If you nothing nice to say, say nothing.
Hello it’s a forum.
I didn’t see any nasty replies.
I sympathize with the op and his struggles, but when things get presented in a relatively public place, replies are going to vary. No one will like all of them.
 

WerewolfOfLondon

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Hello it’s a forum.
I didn’t see any nasty replies.
I sympathize with the op and his struggles, but when things get presented in a relatively public place, replies are going to vary. No one will like all of them.
Yeah you're right. Posting up on a public forum invites both positive and negative comments. Although no one is obliged to make negative comments, it doesn't have to be said. But just as users are entitled to make negative comments, so others are entitled to call them out as negative.
 

georged

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Lots of harsh, judgemental comments thrown in the direction of the OP. The bloke's just trying to lose weight. If you nothing nice to say, say nothing.


Not pointing out his several mistaken assumptions and lack of understanding of his situation would serve no purpose except to allow those mistaken assumptions and lack of understanding to continue.

As stubbornly as some people behave as if it were true, emotion does not affect physical laws.

So, which is more "nice"? Letting them continue down that road, or showing them on a map where they took the wrong exit?
 
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WerewolfOfLondon

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Not pointing out his several mistaken assumptions and lack of understanding of his situation would serve no purpose except to allow those mistaken assumptions and lack of understanding to continue.

As stubbornly as some people behave as if it were true, emotion does not affect physical laws.

So, which is more "nice? Letting them continue down that road, or showing them on a map where they took the wrong exit?
What's been offered here is cliched, homespun wisdom. I've never suffered with the problem the OP describes, but only because of blind luck. Yet I can still see this 'advice' for what it is.
 

georged

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What's been offered here is cliched, homespun wisdom. I've never suffered with the problem the OP describes, but only because of blind luck. Yet I can still see this 'advice' for what it is.

Semantic Imprecision Alert

It's difficult to tell, but are you referring to the Second Law of Thermodynamics as "cliched, homespun wisdom"?
 
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warren

Lifer
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What's been offered here is cliched, homespun wisdom.
I've offered anecdotally based observations intended to be responsive to what I perceived the OP's request for help/information. I think you need to parse the responses more closely. Many here are sympathetic to the OP's plight. Others are objectively offering up suggestions based on their life experiences to assist the OP. I am empathetic to the OP, not sympathetic. I do wish him luck in handling his problem though.

You do seem preoccupied with the responses as they don't suit your "feelings." Tough! Live it!

We really should return to the OP's poster problem and quit taking umbradge with many of the suggested solutions. Such does the OP no assistance.
 
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romaso

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Angus Barbieri – The Man Who Went a Year Without Food and lost 275 lbs

"because the body cannot synthesize certain vital vitamins and nutrients on its own, Barbieri was provided with supplements"
 
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Yeah you're right. Posting up on a public forum invites both positive and negative comments. Although no one is obliged to make negative comments, it doesn't have to be said. But just as users are entitled to make negative comments, so others are entitled to call them out as negative.
I suppose it would be better to always blow smoke up people's asses to make them temporarily feel better. Myself, I'd prefer straight talk that may actually be helpful on a longer term basis. Warren tends to speak his mind, I wish more people would do the same.
 

Sig

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Or you could say he could stop eating altogether. I once stopped eating for a month, survived on water only. Lost a bunch of weight, naturally, looked like a skeleton. Was it good for me, health wise? I'm not sure. Would I recommend it to just anyone? Absolutely not. It could very well do more harm than good.
A month is a bit extreme, but intermittent fasting is exceptionally good for you and the way our bodies were meant to operate. Three or four days is ok every month. It can kickstart your metabolism, and make it easier to lose weight.
Before modern food production, humans didn't eat 3 meals a day, snd food wasn't as plentiful, and it was difficult to come by. I believe it was the British elite who came up with the breakfast, dinner, and supper idea. It was mostly to show off wealth, and to indulge in modern food offerings. Many societies today only eat once or twice a day.
18-24 hours without eating will cause your body to go into ketosis. Your body will start using the fat stored in your cells instead of using the fat from the food you're currently eating. This is why we get fat. We never allow our bodies to use stored fat.
This is also why we lose weight by exercise. When you burn more calories than we take in, we burn a small amount of fat each day.
I once went over 3 months without eating a bite or drinking a sip. :)
But I was in the hospital on intravenous nutrition. :(
 
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WerewolfOfLondon

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It's difficult to tell, but are you referring to the Second Law of Thermodynamics as "cliched, homespun wisdom"?
That's exactly what I'm referring to as homespun wisdom. You can couch it in those scientific terms if you like, but basically what you're saying it 'eat less, move more'. Ask a 1,000 people how to lose weight, and 999 of them will offer that advice. Restating such tiresome cliches here seems unlikely to help. I mean, do you really, honestly believe that such advice will be new to the OP?
 
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