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LeafErikson

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But when 97% of climatologists agree about climate change, that's significant.
What's interesting to me is the lack of diversity in regards to political views within big academia and higher education in 2024. It seems counterproductive when 98.54% of surveyed Harvard professors identify as 'very liberal, liberal, or moderate.'

1.46% of surveyed Harvard professors identified as conservative, and none identified as 'very conservative'. (see source below)


I would imagine that survey results reflecting political leanings of 'big academia' professors would be similar across the country. These are some of the same people doing the research that you are citing in this post.

This has not always been the case. As recently as the 1960s professor political leanings were split about 50/50 and conservative views and values were tolerated. I would posit that this is not the case anymore, which ends up harming the veracity of some of the studies done by big academia, or even studies done by people that were educated within the system of big academia.
 

FLDRD

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What's interesting to me is the lack of diversity in regards to political views within big academia and higher education in 2024. It seems counterproductive when 98.54% of surveyed Harvard professors identify as 'very liberal, liberal, or moderate.'

1.46% of surveyed Harvard professors identified as conservative, and none identified as 'very conservative'. (see source below)


I would imagine that survey results reflecting political leanings of 'big academia' professors would be similar across the country. These are some of the same people doing the research that you are citing in this post.

This has not always been the case. As recently as the 1960s professor political leanings were split about 50/50 and conservative views and values were tolerated. I would posit that this is not the case anymore, which ends up harming the veracity of some of the studies done by big academia, or even studies done by people that were educated within the system of big academia.
Let's not go here, it's verboten.
Topics will get shut down...
Individuals potentially banned.
 

LeafErikson

Lifer
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Let's not go here, it's verboten.
Topics will get shut down...
Individuals potentially banned.
I don't think it qualifies as political commentary since I didn't give my opinion whatsoever on politics, nor did I endorse anyone or anything politically. I could be wrong though.
 
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Speaking of climate change I’m sensing a whole lot of hot air heating up this conversation ;)

On a more serious note, regardless if climate change is real and if it’s man made or not, I’m a big fan of green energy and shifting away from fossil fuels in general. However I think a nation is wise to have a diverse source of energy over all to not be in a position where we are relying on one or two sources, some in which are controlled by other nations.

Solar panels won’t suck the sun dry!
 
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If tobacco counts as green (it only turns brown after harvesting, right?) you'll be happy to know that smoking a pipe is how I heat my house during the winter. puff puff puff
You must be in a newer house, all buttoned up and energy efficient! I live in a home built in 1914 and one of the “characteristics” (cause these old homes are full of charm and character) is that there isn’t insulation for squat lol
 

JoeW

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For whatever it’s worth, I didn’t intend to (help?) derail the discussion. I avoid religious arguments on the internet, and certainly didn’t intend to distract from the topic at hand!
 

sablebrush52

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If 97% of climatologists are funded by the same interests with the same agenda, then that makes that talking point a bit misleading.
I imagine a climatologist won't last very long after being labled a "climate denier."
I've read that they started with 14,000 papers, whittled that down to 500 or so, then again to 68 (can't remember the criteria) and 97% of their writers agree. It sounds somewhat... mad?
A CONSPIRACY THEORY! The perfect fallback for when one has absolutely zero information to support one's desired unsubstantiated opinions. Absolutely! Those tens of thousands of climatologists from all over the world, from countries who hate each other and would love to see their enemies populations vaporized, from universities and research institutes have all conspired under the ONE GREAT MIND to push forth an agenda aimed at cleaning up our act. BRING BACK LOVE CANAL! WATER SHOULD CATCH FIRE! And who could mastermind such a devious world plot?
Aliens from the planet Mongo, that's who! Climate change advocacy is an extraterrestrial plot to destroy humanity and replace it with gerbils, 'cause gerbils are sooo cute.
 
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A CONSPIRACY THEORY! The perfect fallback for when one has absolutely zero information to support one's desired unsubstantiated opinions. Absolutely! Those tens of thousands of climatologists from all over the world, from countries who hate each other and would love to see their enemies populations vaporized, from universities and research institutes have all conspired under the ONE GREAT MIND to push forth an agenda aimed at cleaning up our act. BRING BACK LOVE CANAL! WATER SHOULD CATCH FIRE! And who could mastermind such a devious world plot?
Aliens from the planet Mongo, that's who! Climate change advocacy is an extraterrestrial plot to destroy humanity and replace it with gerbils, 'cause gerbils are sooo cute.

I didn't suggest any conspiracy theory.


"Climatologist" intend to prove climate change, and benefit from the alarm that creates.

Jesse, you've been alive long enough to have seen the deadlines these people set for the end of days come and pass. Those deadlines are then extended.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just that all the people out there "proving" climate change is real are benefiting from the idea. They don't need to be in cahoots, they're all just running the same scam.

There are slip and fall lawyers all over the globe... Human nature causes that, not conspiracy.

I honestly would have never opened this can of worms... But a few pages back you declared that there is no debate about whether or not climate change is happening.

There is, that's all.
 
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A CONSPIRACY THEORY! The perfect fallback for when one has absolutely zero information to support one's desired unsubstantiated opinions. Absolutely! Those tens of thousands of climatologists from all over the world, from countries who hate each other and would love to see their enemies populations vaporized, from universities and research institutes have all conspired under the ONE GREAT MIND to push forth an agenda aimed at cleaning up our act. BRING BACK LOVE CANAL! WATER SHOULD CATCH FIRE! And who could mastermind such a devious world plot?
Aliens from the planet Mongo, that's who! Climate change advocacy is an extraterrestrial plot to destroy humanity and replace it with gerbils, 'cause gerbils are sooo cute.

And since the can of worms is wide ass open...

Love Canal is proveable. There a danger in lumping pollution (proven) and climate change (debatable) together. I'm not arguing for pollution. I hate pollution.

Many of the fixes for climate change have caused more pollution. For example, solar panels and electric cars use highly corrosive batteries. You can't exactly toss those in the compost pile and let them breakdown.
 

sablebrush52

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I didn't suggest any conspiracy theory.


"Climatologist" intend to prove climate change, and benefit from the alarm that creates.

Jesse, you've been alive long enough to have seen the deadlines these people set for the end of days come and pass. Those deadlines are then extended.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just that all the people out there "proving" climate change is real are benefiting from the idea. They don't need to be in cahoots, they're all just running the same scam.

There are slip and fall lawyers all over the globe... Human nature causes that, not conspiracy.

I honestly would have never opened this can of worms... But a few pages back you declared that there is no debate about whether or not climate change is happening.

There is, that's all.
Please provide evidence that it is all a scam, besides your opinion.
The same can be said for those who oppose climate change advocacy, like big oil and fossil fuel industries. They make a lot of moolah
 

sablebrush52

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And since the can of worms is wide ass open...

Love Canal is proveable. There a danger in lumping pollution (proven) and climate change (debatable) together. I'm not arguing for pollution. I hate pollution.

Many of the fixes for climate change have caused more pollution. For example, solar panels and electric cars use highly corrosive batteries. You can't exactly toss those in the compost pile and let them breakdown.
Electric cars are a disaster. I have 'em. On the other hand, internal combustion engines spew an ocean of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. And every car has a highly corrosive battery in it. Maybe we should just ban cars and go back to horses. But then we'll all be bitching about all of the horse shit.

Isn't it amazing that we can belch tons of pollutants into the atmosphere and it's not going to have ANY effect on climate? It's not like we haven't seen similar effects recorded from events like volcanic eruptions, etc.

It's not like this is the first time the planet has gone through climate changes, including a massive worldwide freeze that took place 400 million years ago.
 

sablebrush52

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Multi-cyclical climate change is a feature, not a bug. Blaming it on humanity is a racket.
You haven't been paying attention. Nobody is blaming climate change on humanity. It's happening whether we like it, believe it, or not. That's not where the debate has been. It's been about to what extent human activity has affected climate change, not whether it has created it.