UFO's & UAP's: Is the Truth Out There?

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Egg Shen

Lifer
Nov 26, 2021
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If they had super advanced tech I suspect they’d control our perception of them. They’d allow us to see them if they wanted, or not.
‘Cloaking”
Yeah.. they are demons.

It's only scifi movies and books that make you think about aliens.
could be angels too. Or neutral spirits
I am still driving and flying around the world, because... even though the climate is changing, I don't care.
This goes towards my answer for your second question... I figure that climate change will kill off the extra people.
puffy
agree. Nature is a self-correcting ebb and flow. It is not the planet that is in trouble, but the people who live on it.
I've read that they started with 14,000 papers, whittled that down to 500 or so, then again to 68 (can't remember the criteria) and 97% of their writers agree. It sounds somewhat... mad?
it’s called an “echo chamber” . Most institutions have them. Even this place
Speaking of climate change I’m sensing a whole lot of hot air heating up this conversation ;)

On a more serious note, regardless if climate change is real and if it’s man made or not, I’m a big fan of green energy and shifting away from fossil fuels in general. However I think a nation is wise to have a diverse source of energy over all to not be in a position where we are relying on one or two sources, some in which are controlled by other nations.

Solar panels won’t suck the sun dry!
Do you realize that if there were aliens and we had reverse-engineered their technology, that the automobile, airline, and oil industries would be instantly rendered obsolete if that tech were to be unrolled and made readily accessible to all of man? Green energy is just a new way to monetize your energy use without giving away free energy. The oligarchs will let you buy new stuff instead of the old, but the will not let you buy nothing.
And the debate is how much pollution is affecting climate change. Welcome to the debate.
i think he’s saying he’s against pollution because he likes to breathe fresh air and drink clean water, but doesn’t think it’s making our planet hotter
When I was a kid, growing up in the San Fernando Valley, we would get the light dusting of snow once every several years. That hasn't happened in decades, until a couple of years ago when they got a light dusting in the Hollywood Hills, up around the Hollywood sign.
A hundred plus degree day was a rarity, not a ten day block or longer, nor happening as well in March and November in addition to the usual September heat.
Up til a few years ago I had never heard of atmospheric rivers, heat domes, or bomb cyclones.
People seem to think that all of this should be a straight progression and that anything that isn't somehow disproves climate change. That's wishful thinking. There's just a whole lot of complexity in the process.

And to bring it back to UFO's, I'm skeptical about all of it.
I will agree that the town I have lived in for the past 7 years has had increased wind for the past 5. 12-20 mph 4-5 days/week. Annoying. But probably hard to nail down a cause.


I LOVE THIS THREAD
 

BingBong

Lifer
Apr 26, 2024
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When I was a kid, growing up in the San Fernando Valley, we would get the light dusting of snow once every several years. That hasn't happened in decades, until a couple of years ago when they got a light dusting in the Hollywood Hills, up around the Hollywood sign.
A hundred plus degree day was a rarity, not a ten day block or longer, nor happening as well in March and November in addition to the usual September heat.
Up til a few years ago I had never heard of atmospheric rivers, heat domes, or bomb cyclones.
People seem to think that all of this should be a straight progression and that anything that isn't somehow disproves climate change. That's wishful thinking. There's just a whole lot of complexity in the process.

And to bring it back to UFO's, I'm skeptical about all of it.
Well, my childhood was largely 1960s and it went cold for a couple of decades - before that, it was generally warmer. So we've come back a bit. My dad was born in 1921 and it didn't rain in the UK all that year - people were pretty freaked out by it, by all accounts, and artillery was fired into the sky to try and be seen to do something. Plus ca change.
 
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Searock Fan

Lifer
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@Searock Fan thanks for sharing.
Is there any part of you that might think of it as a natural phenomenon?
Or did the thing come across as more 'artificial', if that makes sense?
First, thanks for taking it seriously. As to your question I can say with high certainty it was NOT natural. The way it moved showed an intelligence behind it. I've tried to figure a way it could have been an AF test, as that was the main activity at Eglin (Air Force armament development and test center) but no way. At that time I was in a position where I was involved or knew about everything that was going on at the base all the way up to Top Secret.

A couple of other points: If someone wants to know what we are up to scientifically, and especially with regard to weaponry, then Eglin would be high on the list of places to watch. Also, tests were not conducted right in the center of the base. They were conducted at one of the "ranges" which were scattered over the 800 plus square miles of mostly wilderness. And the fact that I was never interviewed about the incident is not surprising. Project Blue Book had been closed the previous year and the AF officially had no interest in the subject of UFOs. It seemed this disinterest even applied when they were flying around some of the most closely guarded secrets we had. Researching UFOs was probably considered a career killer. As for me, I didn't give a damn about that as I had not intention of making the AF a career and I only had a few months left.... which meant I was so short I could sit on the edge of a dime and dangle my legs. puffy
 
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BingBong

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First, thanks for taking it seriously. As to your question I can say with high certainty it was NOT natural. The way it moved showed an intelligence behind it. I've tried to figure a way it could have been an AF test, as that was the main activity at Eglin (Air Force armament development and test center) but no way. At that time I was in a position where I was involved or knew about everything that was going on at the base all the way up to Top Secret.

A couple of other points: If someone wants to know what we are up to scientifically, and especially with regard to weaponry, then Eglin would be high on the list of places to watch. Also, tests were not conducted right in the center of the base. They were conducted at one of the "ranges" which were scattered over the 800 plus square miles of mostly wilderness. And the fact that I was never interviewed about the incident is not surprising. Project Blue Book had been closed the previous year and the AF officially had no interest in the subject of UFOs. It seemed this disinterest even applied when they were flying around some of the most closely guarded secrets we had. Researching UFOs was probably considered a career killer. As for me, I didn't give a damn about that as I had not intention of making the AF a career and I only had a few months left.... which meant I was so short I could sit on the edge of a dime and dangle my legs. puffy
I absolutely believe what you say. Something I experienced in 2012 was technically impossible and it still bothers me, all I have is questions.
 

dd57chevy

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Here is Tucker Carlson interviewing Washington Examiner reporter Tom Rogan , who has investigated UAPs for a while now . He says the Navy has multiple videos :


Also says the Navy has sonar tracked.....objects... traveling hundreds of knots...... underwater !
I haven't seen enough evidence ( frankly I'm surprised they haven't run it by me !:LOL: ) , so I'll withhold judgement .
 
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BingBong

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Manchester Airport UK incident in June this year, "blue ball" lands and then takes off again when approached by security vehicle. This has all tumbled out in the last couple of days.

Meanwhile, 3 US airbases in eastern England harassed by "drones" for days this week, no explanation forthcoming.

December 3rd/4th should look like a 1561 Nuremburg woodcut, according to some.
 

rakovsky

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Nov 28, 2024
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There's a lot to say about the UFO/UAP topic, and it's an interesting topic. Based on there being so many reports, sightings, and recordings, something like the UFO phenomenon is real, with people seeing something like flying orbs or what they perceive as spacecraft. Perhaps the furthest that the scientific community has classically gone in treating the phenomenon with respect, as real and not made up are the cases of lights, green orbs, or fireballs that have occasionally been sighted floating or flying across the plains or deserted. The phenomenon of "ball lightning" is also known and taken seriously, but it seems to be a bit separate phenomenon than the floating light balls or fireballs.

This article is about the Marfa Lights, one example of such phenomenon that is recurring:

Scientists Can’t Fully Explain These Strange Floating Lights in Texas
By Kaleigh Rogers, May 9, 2017
 
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rakovsky

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I think that this diagram of possible origins for the UFO phenomenon was extensive.
 

Searock Fan

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There's a lot to say about the UFO/UAP topic, and it's an interesting topic. Based on there being so many reports, sightings, and recordings, something like the UFO phenomenon is real, with people seeing something like flying orbs or what they perceive as spacecraft. Perhaps the furthest that the scientific community has classically gone in treating the phenomenon with respect, as real and not made up are the cases of lights, green orbs, or fireballs that have occasionally been sighted floating or flying across the plains or deserted. The phenomenon of "ball lightning" is also known and taken seriously, but it seems to be a bit separate phenomenon than the floating light balls or fireballs.

This article is about the Marfa Lights, one example of such phenomenon that is recurring:

Scientists Can’t Fully Explain These Strange Floating Lights in Texas
By Kaleigh Rogers, May 9, 2017
It's just one of those things....

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rakovsky

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Knowing US Gov. for all of my life, I seriously believe they aren't smart enough to play off their planes as UFO. They might say "what is that? Birds? Choo choos? Trump?"
That's an interesting way of looking at it. I had to stop and think through what you were saying. It sounds like you are talking about a hypothetical scenario where the US government had special advanced planes like Stealth Bombers and didn't want people to know about it. And in that scenario, you mean that the US wouldn't be smart enough to try to pretend that their advanced tech planes are UFOs in order to prevent the planes from being noticed.

Unlike you I'm not really in as much of a position of experience to comment. My guess would be that they might try this in some situation, but that in any case the UFO reports typically go beyond even what one would expect the US to have 50 years ahead of its time. So for instance UFO reports from the 1930's sound like they are describing craft far more advanced than what I expect that the US would have by 1990.
 
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